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  #21  
Old December 3rd 06, 05:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Owe R.
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clare at snyder.on.ca skrev i meddelandet
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wrote:

Snipp a lot

had been rebuilt less than 10,000 miles ago by a very anal german
craftsman.


anal???


  #22  
Old December 3rd 06, 07:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
clare at snyder.on.ca
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:46:47 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Peter Dohm" wrote

I suspect that the fuel
pumps for the newer electronically controlled "common rail" diesels are
fairly tolerant; but, if Jet-A and Diesel fuels are not fully
interchangeable, then diesel conversions could be very difficult to justify.


This is not to say that some engines are not fully capable of burning jet fuel.
Some are.

It is just saying that you need to find out if multiple people have put some
good hours on the engine burning Jet A, without problems, before you go for it.
If it is out there, it is a good bet that someone has used it. Find out, to
avoid surprises.

Add a bit of oil to Jet "A" and it's fine in any deisel. Kerosene is
also an option.

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  #23  
Old December 3rd 06, 11:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
No this aircraft is going to be manly flying to from our Ranch in North
Texas. It isn't going to be a cross country plane. I have several
reason to want to go the route of the Diesel one of which is the
ability to get / use tax free off road diesel.
Thanks,
Bill


Is tax free off-road diesel fuel cheaper than regular unleaded?


Tax in Texas on over the road diesel is 44.4 a gallon. However off road
disel is also cheaper than on road diesel even after you subtract the
tax and purchasing in larger quanitites. I haven't priced off road
diesel in quite some time but last time I checked it was around $1.80.
Unleaded at the pumps are at $2.15.
Bill

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Old December 4th 06, 05:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Morgans[_2_]
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"bbutlergps" wrote

Tax in Texas on over the road diesel is 44.4 a gallon. However off road
disel is also cheaper than on road diesel even after you subtract the
tax and purchasing in larger quanitites. I haven't priced off road
diesel in quite some time but last time I checked it was around $1.80.
Unleaded at the pumps are at $2.15.


If you were to get a diesel working well in an airplane, you would likely see a
saving not only on fuel price, but the fact that the fuel will last longer in
the air.
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Jim in NC

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Old December 4th 06, 01:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Morgans" wrote:

If you were to get a diesel working well in an airplane, you would likely see a
saving not only on fuel price, but the fact that....




the fuel will last longer in the air.


Wow.
Who would have thought that fuel
wouldn't last longer.... underground?

What's the catch, Morgans....?

*AIR* TANKS?


-Barnyard BOb-

The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog....
and George Carlin humor.


  #26  
Old December 4th 06, 02:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Rob Turk[_1_]
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"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
...

Sorry to rain on your parade, but...
That looks like a good way to turn on the "chip detector." :-(

It is really trivial for cars, which almost never run more than about 30%
of
maximum power for extended periods. It is troublesome in trucks, and
leads
to shorter engine life--but the only casualty is the owner's checkbook.
However in an airplane, I would take the manufacturer's power rating for
truck use, reduce it by another 10%, and then consider maximum cruising
power to be about 60 to 65% of that result.

I know that a lot of conversion advocates regard that as heresy, but I am
much more concerned that even I may still be too optomistic!

Peter


Good advice, Peter. Finally someone with a SMART answer ;-)

Rob


  #27  
Old December 4th 06, 03:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Clay
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I think he was refering to G.P.H.

Barnyard BOb wrote:
"Morgans" wrote:

If you were to get a diesel working well in an airplane, you would likely see a
saving not only on fuel price, but the fact that....




the fuel will last longer in the air.


Wow.
Who would have thought that fuel
wouldn't last longer.... underground?

What's the catch, Morgans....?

*AIR* TANKS?


-Barnyard BOb-

The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog....
and George Carlin humor.


  #28  
Old December 4th 06, 09:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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("bbutlergps" wrote)
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested in
going the route of a diesel.



I like the Toyota (Yaris, and other models) 1.4 D-4D (ALL Aluminum) Turbo
Diesel engine

I'm having trouble finding a variety of good links to the engine's specs.

Toyota .................1.4 D-4D
Horsepower ........90 @ 3,800
Torque ...............190 @ 1,800-3,000
Weight ..................99kg
(weight includes many extras: turbos for one)

From the below link:
"...VVT-i continuous variable valve timing although Daihatsu called it
"DVVT" instead (D for Daihatsu?)"

This is on the normally aspirated 1.3 model. I suspect the 1.4 D4-D is also
DVVT --- which is a plus for Sport Pilot applications, since constant speed
props are out.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y75lou
(Same link as below ...wait for it)

R.A.H. April 13, 2006
"Toyota (aluminum) Diesel 1.4 D-4D ...89 bhp"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...d5049bec028d5b


http://www.geocities.com/plane_diesel/index2.html
Good info on the Toyota Ya(n)is 1.4 Turbo Diesel engine

In conclusion:
1. Toyota 1.4 D4-D should be able to turn a prop at 2400-3000, WITHOUT
needing a PSRU.
2. Direct injected Turbo Diesel will do well with this LSA requirement: "A
maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) of not
more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea level."
3. If it's a single seat LSA, the weight penalty is not as much of an
issue.
4. Throttled back to 2400rpm, I would think the 1.4 D4-D would cruise
around all day @ (under) 2 GPH ...just a guess. g
5. Turbo cruise would mean Sport Pilot/LSA flights @ 8k-10k ft might see
140-150 kts (GPS) ground speeds. ...just a guess. g


Montblack-smoke-out-the-exhaust-pipe


  #29  
Old December 4th 06, 10:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Morgans[_2_]
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"Clay" wrote
....
I think he was refering to G.P.H.


It's OK, Clay. Barnyard has this thing for me. He knew what I meant. He is
just...well, "special." g
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Jim in NC

  #30  
Old December 4th 06, 10:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Morgans[_2_]
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"Barnyard BOb" wrote

Who would have thought that fuel
wouldn't last longer.... underground?

What's the catch, Morgans....?

*AIR* TANKS?


You broke your long absence, ... for this?

I'll ask the same thing. What's the catch??? g

It will last longer while at cruise, as opposed to while in ground operations?

Yeah, that's the ticket! g
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Jim in NC
 




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