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Old August 26th 18, 02:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour.

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner
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Old August 26th 18, 02:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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You’ll find that most clubs will limit tow heights at busy times, especially if you have lift available. A reasonable tow height enables the glider to safely connect with lift. Unusually high tows should be limited to times you don’t have a line of waiting gliders - five to six tows an hour is reasonable for a single tow plane. I’d have something to say if the glider ahead of me on the line took a 45 minute tow!

Mike
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Old August 26th 18, 03:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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450m AGL, 600m by exception.

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Old August 26th 18, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 7:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour.

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner



High tows to the back of the line.

Mike
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Old August 26th 18, 04:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hi Raul,

I would simply tell them, "NO".Â* Glider pilots should be able to gain
height on their own.Â* Or use tach time to calculate the tow rate and
tell them that they must wait until all others have launched.

On 8/26/2018 7:15 AM, wrote:
Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour.

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner


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Old August 26th 18, 05:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 7:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour.

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner


My chapter is at 5500MSL. Tow rates are $11 hookup + $1.30/100ft up to 9000MSL. Above that for wave or high tows or retrieves $180/tach hour with a $68/minimum.

Perhaps a method of pricing that makes such tows unattractive and revenue positive if accommodated?

Is the desire for high tows to tow away from the approach zones with a margin to still be with glide range of the base?

In my observation, this is why CAP o-rides don't mix well with normal club operations in several cases. The syllabus drives tows to 2500-3000ft agl when club member pilots are getting off at 900-1500ft agl.

Frank Whiteley

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Old August 26th 18, 05:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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High tows to the back of the line.

Mike


Imagine the accent of Seinfeld's 'Soup-Nazi': 'You want high tow? No tow for you - come back one year!'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOpfsGrNvnk

Uli
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Old August 26th 18, 06:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Why are they towing so high? No soaring skills, or to catch wave?

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Old August 27th 18, 04:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:15:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour.

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner


The normal way of charging by the 100' doesn't work because of the reduced climb rate (what are you using for these tows?), so the answer is to charge by tach time. Maybe all tows should be done this way (John Templeton uses tach time at Parowan for all tows). This impacts everybody else, so I would poll them on how to handle it. Personally, I would make them go early or late unless no one else is waiting.

Tom
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Old August 27th 18, 01:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 8:49:42 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:15:26 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Our Club is reworking towing height fees. We are based south of Denver (elevation 7,000' msl). Normal tow heights are to about 9,000-10,000' msl. We have new members who now are asking for tows to 14,000' msl. This is causing up to 45-minute waits for the next tow. Normally, we get about four or five tows per hours, but a high altitude tow drops us to two tows per hour..

How high does your club allow for tows?


Raul Boerner


The normal way of charging by the 100' doesn't work because of the reduced climb rate (what are you using for these tows?), so the answer is to charge by tach time. Maybe all tows should be done this way (John Templeton uses tach time at Parowan for all tows). This impacts everybody else, so I would poll them on how to handle it. Personally, I would make them go early or late unless no one else is waiting.

Tom


Tach time is also a fairer way to charge for tows, since the higher towing speeds demanded by modern gliders reduces the climb rate.

 




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