CFI annual TSA renewal

Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert


Oops...I talked to AOPA a while ago about this, and they said they were
working on a new course.

I didn't even think about that...I did the TSA course last January,
guess I'm not eligible to instruct now. What bull****.

In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert

Renewal??? You're supposed to do that every year? Where does it say
that??? I just finished renewing my CFI (the Gleim on-line FIRC), and it
didn't say anything about having to renew my TSA.

It is in the TSA rules, the ones that make us safe because
you can only learn how to crash an airliner if you train in
the USA.


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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
| In article
. com,
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
|
| Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their
TSA
| certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam
but AOPA is now
| saying the initial TSA test does not meet the
requirements of renewal.
| So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a
renewal (I know
| you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal
course, but I
| only do that every 2 years).
|
| -Robert
|
| Renewal??? You're supposed to do that every year? Where
does it say
| that??? I just finished renewing my CFI (the Gleim
on-line FIRC), and it
| didn't say anything about having to renew my TSA.

From the NAFI website:
TSA Issues Recurrency Training Exemption for CFIs

December 14, 2005 - Responding to strong requests and suggestions from NAFI
and EAA officials, the Transportation Security Administration has issued an
exemption to independent flight instructors and flight school employees in
technical default of the recurrency requirements set forth in September,
2004. The requirements in question mandated each individual to complete
recurrent training annually in the same calendar month as the initial
training.

By letter dated 13 December 2005, TSA General Manager Robert Rottman granted
an exemption to all flight school employees and CFIs, extending until 01
January 2007 and permitting a delay of up to but not beyond 18 months to
complete the first recurrent training.

The ruling is posted on he TSA website at posted on the TSA website; go to
www.TSA.gov, then, Travelers and Consumers, then Air Travel, then General
Aviation, mid page. Questions should be addressed to



"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert

And the PDF buried in the TSA.gov website:
http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...re-current.pdf

Jim


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I just keep finding all kinds of
goodies...
Here is another link from the TSA site that contains the FSSA download.
I've only got dial up here at work, so I'll take a look at it tonight at
home, but I can't see how taking the TSA's own training wouldn't qualify for
recurrent training... BUT... we're not talking about something that makes
sense anyway... so who knows.

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/e...orial_1727.xml

Jim

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.
So are all CFIs grounded until someone comes up with a renewal (I know
you can get the renewal when you go to your CFI renewal course, but I
only do that every 2 years).

-Robert

It sure would have saved a lot of problems had anyone in the TSA spoke
to any CFI before coming up with these rules. Just the fact that they
were shocked after releasing the rule that some CFIs don't work for
flight schools tells you something.

-Robert

TSA or Too Stupid for Arby's


Make a rule and the problem is solved. Doesn't matter if
the rule is workable, effective or understandable, the rule
solves the problem. What is the problem you ask? We have
to "do something."

TSA didn't even ask the FAA, let alone the AOPA, EAA, NAFI
or me.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...
| It sure would have saved a lot of problems had anyone in
the TSA spoke
| to any CFI before coming up with these rules. Just the
fact that they
| were shocked after releasing the rule that some CFIs don't
work for
| flight schools tells you something.
|
| -Robert
|

On 12 Feb 2006 21:57:27 -0800, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

Has anyone started the annual process of renewing their TSA
certification? I just went and retook the on-line exam but AOPA is now
saying the initial TSA test does not meet the requirements of renewal.


Hmm. I had no idea that what the TSA had on their site was not good
enough for a recurrence. I had the link on my computer from when I
took it the first time and so all I did was go back to it and took the
lame thing again, printed out that so called Certificate that looks
like a first grader made up and stuck it in the files.

Scott D.

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