If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
-- Cheers Dave Kearton |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control
or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave Well, I do have a "hawk," but it wasn't built by Grumman... JT |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave Well, I do have a "hawk," but it wasn't built by Grumman... JT OMG! The stories I could tell you about my adventure with two Golden Hawks with less than 25,000 miles both parked and covered in a garage in the small town of Mann's Crossing, PA. Plus one of my best friends, Tom LeJeune (Panel 01W - Line 37) had one that would smoke the roads between Fort Holabird, MD and West Miflin, PA. I once got a great tour of the Avanti factory production line when after the Avanti had been bought out. I did an inspection at the AMG Factory in South Bend and the security manager took me over to see the line. Man if I hadn't been only an SSG at the time, I would have driven one back to DC. $19,500 and drive away. Tell me about yours!!!! Please!!! Dave |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave Well, I do have a "hawk," but it wasn't built by Grumman... JT OMG! The stories I could tell you about my adventure with two Golden Hawks with less than 25,000 miles both parked and covered in a garage in the small town of Mann's Crossing, PA. Plus one of my best friends, Tom LeJeune (Panel 01W - Line 37) had one that would smoke the roads between Fort Holabird, MD and West Miflin, PA. I once got a great tour of the Avanti factory production line when after the Avanti had been bought out. I did an inspection at the AMG Factory in South Bend and the security manager took me over to see the line. Man if I hadn't been only an SSG at the time, I would have driven one back to DC. $19,500 and drive away. Tell me about yours!!!! Please!!! Dave Attached, is a pic of Nate Altman (who bought the Avanti line from Studebaker) and Gene Hardig who did his engineering work and was the former head of engineering for Studebaker. My car is a '56 Power Hawk (Commander equivalent) that I bought from the original owner in February of 1966 just prior to military separation. In fact, I remember distinctly driving from the 116th to Ft Myers when the announcement that Studebaker was ceasing operations in Canada blared over the AM radio! The car has just over 90K on the odometer and I (jokingly) have designated as my burial container. BTW, the height of Avanti production was the '64 model year during the Studebaker years. Imagine the R-3 that would do over 170 mph direct from the factory! I did own a '63 R-1 from 1970 to 1990 though.. JT |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave Well, I do have a "hawk," but it wasn't built by Grumman... JT OMG! The stories I could tell you about my adventure with two Golden Hawks with less than 25,000 miles both parked and covered in a garage in the small town of Mann's Crossing, PA. Plus one of my best friends, Tom LeJeune (Panel 01W - Line 37) had one that would smoke the roads between Fort Holabird, MD and West Miflin, PA. I once got a great tour of the Avanti factory production line when after the Avanti had been bought out. I did an inspection at the AMG Factory in South Bend and the security manager took me over to see the line. Man if I hadn't been only an SSG at the time, I would have driven one back to DC. $19,500 and drive away. Tell me about yours!!!! Please!!! Dave Attached, is a pic of Nate Altman (who bought the Avanti line from Studebaker) and Gene Hardig who did his engineering work and was the former head of engineering for Studebaker. My car is a '56 Power Hawk (Commander equivalent) that I bought from the original owner in February of 1966 just prior to military separation. In fact, I remember distinctly driving from the 116th to Ft Myers when the announcement that Studebaker was ceasing operations in Canada blared over the AM radio! The car has just over 90K on the odometer and I (jokingly) have designated as my burial container. BTW, the height of Avanti production was the '64 model year during the Studebaker years. Imagine the R-3 that would do over 170 mph direct from the factory! I did own a '63 R-1 from 1970 to 1990 though.. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darn JT, and when I was at the 116th I was driving a VW Bug! Cheers! Dave |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Syrian MiG-21 in trouble
CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: Grumpy AuContraire wrote: CWO4 Dave Mann wrote: I wonder if the rotation to inverted is a component of loss of control or the pilot thinking he has a better chance for successful ejection by shooting himself down. Bad habit to learn, however, if you are on the ground. Cheers, Dave I think that I would go with the "loss of control" proposition as has been evidenced in both, military and commercial crashes. I clearly remember the instructions when regarding OV-1 ejections that a "nose up" attitude was highly desired. Came close a couple of times but never had to "pull the pin." JT Nose up even if you enter a stall environment. The tail reminded me of a Ginzu Tomato slicer as seen on TV. Sure wish I could find one of those South American 'hawks that would make it back to here. And of course, that includes winning the PowerBall so I could afford it. Imagine having the "Pimp my Ride" crew do up your hawk. Sweet. Cheers, Dave Well, I do have a "hawk," but it wasn't built by Grumman... JT OMG! The stories I could tell you about my adventure with two Golden Hawks with less than 25,000 miles both parked and covered in a garage in the small town of Mann's Crossing, PA. Plus one of my best friends, Tom LeJeune (Panel 01W - Line 37) had one that would smoke the roads between Fort Holabird, MD and West Miflin, PA. I once got a great tour of the Avanti factory production line when after the Avanti had been bought out. I did an inspection at the AMG Factory in South Bend and the security manager took me over to see the line. Man if I hadn't been only an SSG at the time, I would have driven one back to DC. $19,500 and drive away. Tell me about yours!!!! Please!!! Dave Attached, is a pic of Nate Altman (who bought the Avanti line from Studebaker) and Gene Hardig who did his engineering work and was the former head of engineering for Studebaker. My car is a '56 Power Hawk (Commander equivalent) that I bought from the original owner in February of 1966 just prior to military separation. In fact, I remember distinctly driving from the 116th to Ft Myers when the announcement that Studebaker was ceasing operations in Canada blared over the AM radio! The car has just over 90K on the odometer and I (jokingly) have designated as my burial container. BTW, the height of Avanti production was the '64 model year during the Studebaker years. Imagine the R-3 that would do over 170 mph direct from the factory! I did own a '63 R-1 from 1970 to 1990 though.. JT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darn JT, and when I was at the 116th I was driving a VW Bug! Cheers! Dave Heh! I used to get them thar' thangs caught in my tire threads all the time... Damned annoying at that! What is ironic is that after I got out, I went to work for a NASA contractor as a shift supervisor for the NIMBUS weather satellite project which operated 24/7 with rotating shifts. After seven months of that, I had had 'nuff and have never done so since. JT |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Tie Down Trouble | Dylan Smith | Piloting | 16 | May 20th 06 09:47 PM |
"Operation Syrian Freedom" next? | Eric Moore | Military Aviation | 1 | April 22nd 04 07:06 PM |
Final Word on Syrian/Iranian A/C | David Joston | Military Aviation | 13 | October 18th 03 09:07 AM |
Syrian and Iranian AF 2003 | Kenneth Williams | Military Aviation | 16 | October 12th 03 10:49 AM |
Israel Bombs Syrian Camp | Grantland | Military Aviation | 22 | October 9th 03 01:03 AM |