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Old May 25th 06, 03:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert

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Old May 25th 06, 05:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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"Bob Fry" wrote

Maybe they could reserve a frequency just to broadcast important area
NOTAMs. Pilots would get in the habit of checking it before takeoff
and during flight. Maybe area NOTAMs could be added on to AWOS
broadcasts. Something?


I've often wondered why they do not use AWOS. It would take all of 5 or 10
seconds to announce a NOTAM, or at least tell of one's existence.

Yes, checking before departure is a "good thing" but there are always
NOTAM's that pop up while you are in the air.
--
Jim in NC


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Old May 25th 06, 06:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert


Yes. I was on the east coast when 9/11 occured and twice heard
controllers telling pilots that they were "almost launched" on..meaning
they'd almost scrambled fighters on them. Makes you pay attention.
Ever since I haven't flown without giving FSS a call and asking for any
TFRs. Saved my butt a couple years ago. There was a TFR close enough
to the drop zone I fly for that if I had taken off I would have
violated. The TFR was for some wildland firefighting training that was
being done...I would have never expected one that morning.

The phone call only takes a couple of minutes.
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Old May 25th 06, 07:02 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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There are lots of problems with the notam system. Still, it is the
official way the FAA notifies pilots of things like TFRs. If you're going
to stick your head in the sand and say you're not going to check for
notams, you deserve what you get when you bust a TFR.


Agreed.


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Old May 25th 06, 07:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?


Yes. I have gotten a briefing for EVERY SINGLE FLIGHT I have ever made in
the US, and for all but one in Canada and the Bahamas. I admit, I made one
local flight in the Bahamas without a briefing, but that's it.

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight, and there's a host
of other time-consuming things (fueling, driving to and from the airport,
sometimes a visit to the pilot shop, etc) surrounding my flying. An extra
10 minutes (though, usually it's only 5) to get a briefing is a no-brainer.

Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.


If everyone knew he was coming, the TFR could have been assumed and no one
would have needed to check the NOTAMs. "He came stealth" is exactly why you
DO check NOTAMs.

Pete


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Old May 25th 06, 07:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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Yep, every flight. It might be a difference in culture between younger
pilots like myself and people who have been flying longer. I did all
of my flight training after 9/11, and I trained in the LA basin, which
is somewhat busy. As a result, there was a bigger emphasis on checking
this stuff than my pilot friends who learned earlier.

Every single flight, I get a briefing to check for notams & TFRs. I do
most of my flying out in the boonies now, but I still call FSS. Heck,
I did pattern work the other day and still called 'em just to make
sure. It's a useful source of information, why not use the tools
available? I might not like the fact that these restrictions exist,
and I'll write a letter to my congressman, but with a couple minutes of
effort each flight, I can avoid being the guy waving to the F-16 off my
wing.

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL

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Old May 25th 06, 09:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.


Yes.

I always always always get a briefing before every single flight.

--
Bob Noel
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Old May 25th 06, 11:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern?


Yes. Absolutely.
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Old May 25th 06, 11:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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What is it with you guys busting TFR's ?? Don;t you ever get weather
briefings?? I can't figure it out. I have my students get a Wx
briefing before every flight, even if local that way we are informed.

Personally, I think most of these TFR are a stupid PITA but there is
littel dang excuse for a licensed pilot to bust one unless it were an
emergency.


John Doe wrote:
"bob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Seems I busted a VIP TFR Monday near Sacramento (VP Cheney was in town
raising money for a couple of congressmen). On landing at my
destination I was asked by the airport manager to call an ATC number,
who got my info and said they would forward it to the local FSDO as a
"pilot deviation". I'm not disputing that I indeed was ignorant of the
TFR and violated it.

So what can I expect? I've already figured out that the Secret Service
isn't going to arrest me. My biggest concern is what it will do to my
insurance costs when I renew next year. Should I bother filing the
NASA ASRS form? Since I'm a PP-ASEL and flying is a hobby, I don't
otherwise care a lot if my license is suspended for a time or I end up
with a record.



I had my first experience with a VIP TFR last weekend. Bush was in town and
I had gotten an email from AOPA notifying me of the TFR in my area. I
thought that was awesome that I got advance notice through email.

Anyway, I do my normal flight planning and sure enough, the TFR is active
over the top of my non-towered airfield.

I go out to the airfield, and for some strange reason, I kind of expected
the FBO to have posted something, somewhere, that there was an active TFR
over the top of this airfield, but nope, nothing. I'm not even sure anyone
at the FBO knew it was there.

I was just slightly suprised. So for all the pilots out there who don't
religously check the NOTAMS immediately before takeoff, you can all too
easily be bitten by a TFR.

Had my airfield been 2nm closer to the event, I would have been within the
restricted airspace and could have facen the worst case reprocutions if I
busted the airspace.

Luckily, I've learned to check NOTAMS prior to every flight, and following
the procedures, the TFR didn't delay me at all in getting on my way.




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Old May 25th 06, 11:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
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I always get a Wx briefing before every flight, and check NOTAMS along
the route and destination for all XC trips. I teach my students that way also.

Not doing this shows a lack of piloting skilss, sorry but thats the truth.


Robert M. Gary wrote:

Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every
local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to
be in Sac? He came stealth.

-Robert


 




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