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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... Juan Jimenez wrote in message .. . "Richard Kaplan" wrote in s.com: Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"? Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy? What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness? When did the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of airworthiness? What FAR requires a plane to be Airworthy to sell? Sounds like the owner was willing to sell a project plane cheaply. The fact that he wasn't upfront about it is annoying, but sadly, the norm. When I was looking at Champs 4 out of 5 were not technically airworthy according to ADs. That doesn't make them illegal to sell, or a bad deal. He must not have ever heard of "parting out", "fixer upper"... |
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Jim Weir wrote in message . ..
Did you really LOOK at his post, Lennie? All the bitches about the airplane were of the "I didn't like the way it looked." Not one single, "this measured outside of the limits set by the xyz approved data sheet." A pilot that will fly in a plane that has that many things "He doesn't like" can be called only a goddam fool. He didn't like the aileron ball joints but had no idea why they were frozen. He didn't like the flap mechanisms but had no data on which to base his complaints...yada...yada...yada... Anyone with the amount of experience Bill has shouldn't need data sheets to decide for himself what is acceptable and what is not. Data sheet be damned, if it's not right, it's not right. Berle was too stupid to ask the question. Sorry, but after several years of correspondence with him, that statement is totally wrong. When I bought my 1-26 I got more solid information from him than I did from the rest of the soaring group. A -lot of other major work needed doing, not disclosed beforehand either. What major work needed to be done? Quote me from Berle's post, will you? Flap rails, aileron ball joint, seat rails, excessive play in yoke, I doubt that any of these are going to be cheap to fix. All I saw were some rantings from a person who expected to see a show airplane for a beater price. He stated quite clearly that that was not what he expected, but did expect an airworthy aircraft from the owners description and answers. Any halfway sane buyer is going to ask about any major damage, and to my mind, replacing a wing and the nosewheel mount qualify as major. As does any structural damage. Was the engine torn down after it was flipped? If it caused the replacement of the prop, chances are good that damage was also done to the engine. You got a nine inch South Bend for sale? I'm in the market. You're only number 25 on the list. Had guys after that since the day I brought it home, in pieces. Still have a lot of work to do to make it run, and then if it's not to my specs, it won't be sold. As it is now, a POS, when I'm done it might be a running POS and require all the experience my 44 years in machining can give to do any acceptable work. (I didn't say respectable, just acceptable.) Until it cuts metal, I don't know what it is. |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:51 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote:
GC said: Ya, I had this same thought. Price rarely is a measure of suitability for a purpose. I agree with ya. In fact, suitability, quality, price, and popularity often have little to do with each other. Really? On what planet? LOL. This one. Stay with the conversation, please. I'm laughing and teasing a little because I'm trying to figure out if you're for real or not. If you seriously believe what you're implying, you seriously have, "sucker", written all over you. You seriously believe that top dollar always buys best suitability for everything, every time? If so, I have a $900 plastic tub liner and a $600 hammer to sale you. I'll be happy to ship as soon as I receive your check, and it clears. I'm more than happy to sale as many as you'd like to purchase. Seriously. This is no joke. Is the phrase, "common sense", nothing more than a cliche to you? Cheers, Greg |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:47:04 -0500, Greg Copeland wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:51 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote: GC said: Ya, I had this same thought. Price rarely is a measure of suitability for a purpose. I agree with ya. In fact, suitability, quality, price, and popularity often have little to do with each other. Really? On what planet? LOL. This one. Stay with the conversation, please. I'm laughing and teasing a little because I'm trying to figure out if you're for real or not. If you seriously believe what you're implying, you seriously have, "sucker", written all over you. You seriously believe that top dollar always buys best suitability for everything, every time? If so, I have a $900 plastic tub liner and a $600 hammer to sale you. I'll be happy to ship as soon as I receive your check, and it clears. I'm more than happy to sale as many as you'd like to purchase. Seriously. This is no joke. Is the phrase, "common sense", nothing more than a cliche to you? Cheers, Greg Would you believe, "sell", even? Hate it when I do dumb stuff like that. Oh well. |
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"Greg Copeland" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:47:04 -0500, Greg Copeland wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:27:51 -0700, Tom Sixkiller wrote: GC said: Ya, I had this same thought. Price rarely is a measure of suitability for a purpose. I agree with ya. In fact, suitability, quality, price, and popularity often have little to do with each other. Really? On what planet? LOL. This one. Stay with the conversation, please. I'm laughing and teasing a little because I'm trying to figure out if you're for real or not. If you seriously believe what you're implying, you seriously have, "sucker", written all over you. You seriously believe that top dollar always buys best suitability for everything, every time? If so, I have a $900 plastic tub liner and a $600 hammer to sale you. Ever buy something custom made? If I really need a specific tub liner, and your's is all I have, it might be worth $900. Do you know WHY the military had to pay $600 for hammers and why they could not get them at Ace Hardware. I'll be happy to ship as soon as I receive your check, and it clears. I'm more than happy to sale as many as you'd like to purchase. Seriously. This is no joke. Is the phrase, "common sense", nothing more than a cliche to you? Evidently, terminology is foreign to you. What does the term "price" mean to you (other than what TV advertising says). |
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worth $900.
Do you know WHY the military had to pay $600 for hammers and why they could not get them at Ace Hardware. Because this was a budget redirection for Area 51? |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
The fact that he wasn't upfront about it is annoying, but sadly, the norm. When I was looking at Champs 4 out of 5 were not technically airworthy according to ADs. That doesn't make them illegal to sell, or a bad deal. The fact that when the OP put out an alert warning people looking for Cessnas in So Cal to look for these things the seller blew a gasket tells me that the seller had every intention of keeping the major damage history and signficant squawks a secret. After all, he may not spontaneously give the info out, but why should he be mad and threatening to sue when someone reminds buyers to look for this stuff? I found the ad (link posted elsewhere on the thread), it was a $25K C175 which I agree should have been a red flag. But at a club member who is contemplating buying, after reading this thread and seeing IMO the shockingly high number of people who think the seller's behavior is acceptable, I think that's a good indication that I better stay away from buying planes any time in the near future. |
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From: Richard Lamb
Date: 6/21/2004 11:59 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: B2431 wrote: From: Juan Jimenez Date: 6/21/2004 10:01 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Richard Kaplan" wrote in ws.com: Why do you think this airplane is "super low priced"? Why would it be priced that low if it were airworthy? What does the price of a plane have to do with its airworthiness? When did the FAA include price of the airplane in its definition of airworthiness? Juan, have you ever sold or flown that BD-5? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Low blow, Dan! Notice he ducked the question Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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