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Old June 4th 06, 02:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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| "Steven P. McNicoll"
|
| That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't
quite jibe with
| your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil
War as the first
| point at which the US "ceased to be a free
country"--which would only be
| possible if it had been a free country *until* then.
|
| I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which
the US "ceased to
| be a free country".
|
| It was the first point you listed when you were asked to
explain your remark
| that the US had "ceased to be a free country".
|
| When did the US cease to be a free country, in your
opinion?


The first military draft in 1864.


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Old June 4th 06, 02:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Skywise" wrote in message
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I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not.


Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave
owners stole from the black population? Thought so.

Remember the past, yes, but get over it.


Ironically, the point of this subthread is that the right-wing
slavery-apologists here on r.a.p. haven't gotten over losing the Civil War.

--Gary


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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:tcqgg.26072$ZW3.9062@dukeread04...
I can't think of his name right now, but there is a black
reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book about
how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he doesn't
have to live in Africa.


You are presumably thinking of Thomas Sowell, a columnist (not reporter) for
the Wall Street Journal who has argued against reparations.

But while Sowell does mention that (of course) he is better off in America
than in Africa, he certainly does *not* express gratitude about his
ancestors' captivity; on the contrary, he condemns that atrocity in the
strongest terms.

The idea that even the most conservative black scholar could be "glad" his
ancestors were enslaved is purely a product of your own twisted, racist,
slavery-rationalizing imagination.

--Gary


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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message

When did the US cease to be a free country, in your opinion?


The first military draft in 1864.


So you, too, believe the US was a free country until 1864, but not after?


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Old June 4th 06, 03:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Not Sowell and the "glad" statement was his direct thought
in the book and when I saw him on C-SPAN.


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:tcqgg.26072$ZW3.9062@dukeread04...
| I can't think of his name right now, but there is a
black
| reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book
about
| how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he
doesn't
| have to live in Africa.
|
| You are presumably thinking of Thomas Sowell, a columnist
(not reporter) for
| the Wall Street Journal who has argued against
reparations.
|
| But while Sowell does mention that (of course) he is
better off in America
| than in Africa, he certainly does *not* express gratitude
about his
| ancestors' captivity; on the contrary, he condemns that
atrocity in the
| strongest terms.
|
| The idea that even the most conservative black scholar
could be "glad" his
| ancestors were enslaved is purely a product of your own
twisted, racist,
| slavery-rationalizing imagination.
|
| --Gary
|
|


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Old June 4th 06, 03:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the slave
owners stole from the black population? Thought so.


The son must pay for the sins of the father. Of course.

--
Bob Noel
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Old June 4th 06, 03:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Have you directly or indirectly inherited some of the wealth that the
slave
owners stole from the black population? Thought so.


The son must pay for the sins of the father. Of course.


Nope. But if your father stole my father's car and you inherited it, I could
reasonably sue you for it (even though the theft wasn't your fault).

--Gary


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Old June 4th 06, 03:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Not Sowell and the "glad" statement was his direct thought
in the book and when I saw him on C-SPAN.


Human memory distorts recollections in the direction of our expectations. So
if you harbor the disgusting expectation that African Americans are (or
should be) "glad" their ancestors were enslaved, then your memory of what
you think you read will be influenced in that direction.

If the book passage you believe you read (and cited approvingly) were really
to exist, then you or someone else here would be able to find it. It would
be such an outrageous sentiment that a Google search would easily uncover
copious discussion of it.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:tcqgg.26072$ZW3.9062@dukeread04...
| I can't think of his name right now, but there is a
black
| reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book
about
| how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he
doesn't
| have to live in Africa.
|
| You are presumably thinking of Thomas Sowell, a columnist
(not reporter) for
| the Wall Street Journal who has argued against
reparations.
|
| But while Sowell does mention that (of course) he is
better off in America
| than in Africa, he certainly does *not* express gratitude
about his
| ancestors' captivity; on the contrary, he condemns that
atrocity in the
| strongest terms.
|
| The idea that even the most conservative black scholar
could be "glad" his
| ancestors were enslaved is purely a product of your own
twisted, racist,
| slavery-rationalizing imagination.
|
| --Gary
|
|




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Old June 4th 06, 03:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

The son must pay for the sins of the father. Of course.


Nope. But if your father stole my father's car and you inherited it, I could
reasonably sue you for it (even though the theft wasn't your fault).


When does the chain break?

btw - of course you can sue. Whether there would be justise in you
winning is a different matter.

--
Bob Noel
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lawyers will hate

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Old June 4th 06, 03:47 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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btw - of course you can sue. Whether there would be justise in you
winning is a different matter.


If your father had stolen my father's car and you inherited it, wouldn't it
be just for me to recover it from you?

When does the chain break?


When the car is returned to its rightful owners.

--Gary


 




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