Private Pilot without Medical -- Sport Pilot operation?

Todd Pattist wrote:

(Robert M. Gary) wrote:


If your medical is
not current simply because you did not want to hand your AME $70, then
you are ok as long as you don't have any known disqualifing condition.


A "known disqualifying condition" is not the test. You can
still fly under SP rules even if you have a known
disqualifying condition, the same as you can fly gliders and
balloons, provided you are able "to operate the aircraft in
a safe manner." The test is found under 61.53. You can be
unable to pass a medical under 61.53(a) and still not be
medically deficient under 61.53(b) for operations that do
not require a medical.
Todd Pattist
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Glider and balloon pilots are *self certifying*. That is, they don't
have to hire an AME to certify their medical condition. So, if you have
diabetes and are taking medicine for it, you shouldn't go fly a balloon
or glider. Think about what happens if you pass out and do damage as a
result -- their lawyers would be shapening their knives.

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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a Special
Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY class of flying
due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement I kept up my medical
(every 6 months) which required a stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood
counts, etc, plus every other test had to include a thallium injection with
a scan. This was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the thallium
scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my medical. I
thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my cardiologist. But his
and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I let it lapse since I could
teach flight sims without a medical certificate. Since then I have had a
hip replacement and am currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of
the bone marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80 flight
simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying the
simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite safe to fly.
I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only prescription medicine
I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
to wait until Jan 15th.

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" wrote in message
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"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
to wait until Jan 15th.


Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least once
more and then let the special issuance expire.

ET wrote

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
a "flight review" now.

BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

Bob Moore wrote in
. 168:

ET wrote

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
a "flight review" now.

BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI


SEMI annual means twice a year.... But yes I ment to say beinnial.

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means twice a
year...)

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

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"ET" wrote in message
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"Darrell" wrote in
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
m...
I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
denied a medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The
way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk
getting a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be
flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something
like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication,
but otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition,
etc., then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that
matter, putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have
passed. Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be
justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart
safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with
a Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for
ANY class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following
retirement I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a
stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every
other test had to include a thallium injection with a scan. This
was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
my medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So
I let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am
currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone
marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while
flying the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel
quite safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA.
The only prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and
would be very interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do
that with just my driver's license.




Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd)
some Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac
(other than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of
Sport Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can
fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots,
have to wait until Jan 15th.


Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least
once more and then let the special issuance expire.



No, he said he let it lapse.

After reading his post again though, what he needs to do is pay the ten
dollars to the FAA to see what they really have on record for him. Did
he really just let it lapse, or did they request furthur info, he not
turn in the info, so they denied it??

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET wrote

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
twice a year...)

Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
"Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
for "you are".

Bob Moore

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:33:50 -0700, "Darrell" wrote:

I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

I hope you can. It's not clear whether your medical was in fact turned
down.

The big problem of course is insurance. One can always buy a plane and
fly it uninsured, but renting is probably out of the question (it is
for me, anyhow) unless somebody is willing to write an insurance
policy for a sport pilot.

That's still to be determined. I notice that the AOPA insurer doesn't
(or didn't when I looked at the form) cover recreational pilot
certificates.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

Bob Moore wrote in
:

ET wrote

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
twice a year...)

Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
"Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
for "you are".

Bob Moore


OK, now You Are just trying to get me riled ;-)....

and if you knew what I "meant" then I got my point across.

From now on, I'm emailing you all my posts for spelling and grammer
correction before posting :-)



--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams