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An interesting article in the Washingtom Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110101291.html -ash Cthulhu in 2005! Why wait for nature? |
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On 2 Nov 2005 6:35:34 -0500, "Ash Wyllie" wrote in
:: An interesting article in the Washingtom Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110101291.html To operate at any point in this zone, pilots must go through unique and elaborate procedures. They must file a flight plan before entering the ADIZ and must do so by telephone, often having to wait 10 or 20 minutes on hold rather than just spending a minute or two to file the plan via computer. Once in the airplane, pilots must contact a controller for a code to identify their airplane on radar -- and must often guess the frequency on which to reach the controller, since it changes. If the flight plan has been lost in the system, as often occurs, they may have to land at an airport outside the ADIZ and start over again. If radio congestion means they can't reach a controller, they must circle outside the ADIZ border, avoiding other pilots in the same predicament. These might seem trivial burdens if they made sense for security, but they don't. The ADIZ plan displays that special combination of other early, panicky post-Sept. 11 moves: It doesn't hinder terrorists, but it complicates life for everyone else. What mainly stops terrorists from using small aircraft is that they're such inefficient delivery vehicles. My small propeller airplane, which I may not legally fly as close to the Capitol as Tysons Corner, can carry one-sixth as many pounds of cargo -- or bombs -- as my family car, which I drive close to major buildings every day. And for the private jets that are large enough to do damage, the ADIZ offers no real protection. Once a jet is cleared into the ADIZ, what protects the White House and Capitol is what would protect them without an ADIZ: missile batteries on the rooftops and bunkers in the basement. Perhaps a good compromise would be to require jet aircraft to comply with the DC ADIZ. After all, turbine aircraft get about 750 feet to the gallon of fuel, so they carry a copious amounts. Fortunately, most jet powered aircraft are on IFR flight plans, so they wouldn't be impacted very much. Just a thought. |
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Is my memory failing, or didn't this one make the headlines:
"Of the thousands of ADIZ cases that have tied up FAA lawyers and often led to sanctions against pilots, exactly one was found to involve an intentional violation." "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On 2 Nov 2005 6:35:34 -0500, "Ash Wyllie" wrote in :: An interesting article in the Washingtom Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...01/AR200511010 1291.html To operate at any point in this zone, pilots must go through unique and elaborate procedures. They must file a flight plan before entering the ADIZ and must do so by telephone, often having to wait 10 or 20 minutes on hold rather than just spending a minute or two to file the plan via computer. Once in the airplane, pilots must contact a controller for a code to identify their airplane on radar -- and must often guess the frequency on which to reach the controller, since it changes. If the flight plan has been lost in the system, as often occurs, they may have to land at an airport outside the ADIZ and start over again. If radio congestion means they can't reach a controller, they must circle outside the ADIZ border, avoiding other pilots in the same predicament. These might seem trivial burdens if they made sense for security, but they don't. The ADIZ plan displays that special combination of other early, panicky post-Sept. 11 moves: It doesn't hinder terrorists, but it complicates life for everyone else. What mainly stops terrorists from using small aircraft is that they're such inefficient delivery vehicles. My small propeller airplane, which I may not legally fly as close to the Capitol as Tysons Corner, can carry one-sixth as many pounds of cargo -- or bombs -- as my family car, which I drive close to major buildings every day. And for the private jets that are large enough to do damage, the ADIZ offers no real protection. Once a jet is cleared into the ADIZ, what protects the White House and Capitol is what would protect them without an ADIZ: missile batteries on the rooftops and bunkers in the basement. Perhaps a good compromise would be to require jet aircraft to comply with the DC ADIZ. After all, turbine aircraft get about 750 feet to the gallon of fuel, so they carry a copious amounts. Fortunately, most jet powered aircraft are on IFR flight plans, so they wouldn't be impacted very much. Just a thought. |
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
... An interesting article in the Washingtom Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110101291.html Not too bad. Except for this part: One part of the new airspace proposals has drawn little controversy: the "freeze," or Flight Restricted Zone, which is a circular area 34 miles across centered on Reagan National Airport in which private aviation is prohibited. On a nighttime training flight in the 1990s, I flew (while in contact with controllers at National) toward the city over the Potomac and out again over the Anacostia. Most pilots realize that flights like that will never happen again. The "freeze" has drawn little controversy? I wonder who he's been talking to. Obviously not the people who used to depend on the three GA airports within that restricted area, or anyone else with any common sense about what's helpful or practical and what's not. Pete |
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Larry Dighera wrote: To operate at any point in this zone, pilots must go through unique and elaborate procedures. They must file a flight plan before entering the ADIZ and must do so by telephone, often having to wait 10 or 20 minutes on hold rather than just spending a minute or two to file the plan via computer. A great way to check for "foreign voice accents" Follow up questions can include this years World Series Champ, Super Bowl winner, end of Ramadan, etc. Once in the airplane, pilots must contact a controller for a code to identify their airplane on radar -- and must often guess the frequency on which to reach the controller, since it changes. If the flight plan has been lost in the system, as often occurs, they may have to land at an airport outside the ADIZ and start over again. If radio congestion means they can't reach a controller, they must circle outside the ADIZ border, avoiding other pilots in the same predicament. FAA controllers have been short staffed since Reagan, check major hub staffing versus budget. Ironic that DCA is RR airport. These might seem trivial burdens if they made sense for security, but they don't. The ADIZ plan displays that special combination of other early, panicky post-Sept. 11 moves: It doesn't hinder terrorists, but it complicates life for everyone else. What mainly stops terrorists from using small aircraft is that they're such inefficient delivery vehicles. My small propeller airplane, which I may not legally fly as close to the Capitol as Tysons Corner, can carry one-sixth as many pounds of cargo -- or bombs -- as my family car, which I drive close to major buildings every day. But your car won't drop from the sky, Kamikazi style. Easier to halt a bio/chem spraying car versus chasing a crop duster. And for the private jets that are large enough to do damage, the ADIZ offers no real protection. Once a jet is cleared into the ADIZ, what protects the White House and Capitol is what would protect them without an ADIZ: missile batteries on the rooftops and bunkers in the basement. Perhaps a good compromise would be to require jet aircraft to comply with the DC ADIZ. After all, turbine aircraft get about 750 feet to the gallon of fuel, so they carry a copious amounts. Fortunately, most jet powered aircraft are on IFR flight plans, so they wouldn't be impacted very much. Just a thought. Try Amtrak, just a thought, JG |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
To operate at any point in this zone, pilots must go through unique and elaborate procedures. They must file a flight plan before entering the ADIZ and must do so by telephone, often having to wait 10 or 20 minutes on hold rather than just spending a minute or two to file the plan via computer. Once in the airplane, pilots must contact a controller for a code to identify their airplane on radar -- and must often guess the frequency on which to reach the controller, since it changes. If the flight plan has been lost in the system, as often occurs, they may have to land at an airport outside the ADIZ and start over again. If radio congestion means they can't reach a controller, they must circle outside the ADIZ border, avoiding other pilots in the same predicament. These are the same procedures that I have had to follow for a couple of decades of island flying. These procedures are fallible. They don't stop the occassional stray airplane from entering the US. They won't stop an intentional busting of DC airspace. D. |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:36:39 GMT, "Capt.Doug"
wrote in :: They won't stop an intentional busting of DC airspace. I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down. It's a completely uninspired system concept that is so flawed as to be incapable of accomplishing its purpose and only impacts the innocent. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down. That's the point I'm getting to- Customs, or whoever is on duty, won't have time or equipment to identify the intruder. It happens on the borders quite often. The SAMs are likely capable of taking out the target, but will the launch personnel have authorization before it's too late when Customs or whoever is on duty fails to properly identify the target as friend or foe? It's a completely uninspired system concept that is so flawed as to be incapable of accomplishing its purpose and only impacts the innocent. Agreed, its a hysterical kneejerk reaction from politicians who don't have a clue. D. |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:13:42 GMT, "Capt.Doug"
wrote in :: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down. That's the point I'm getting to- Customs, or whoever is on duty, won't have time or equipment to identify the intruder. Don't say that too loudly, or they'll increase the size of the DC ADIZ so they'll have more time. :-( It happens on the borders quite often. Specifically what happens? Are you saying that Customs interceptor aircraft are often incapable of identifying errant aircraft penetrating the ADIZ' along the nation's boarders? The SAMs are likely capable of taking out the target, but will the launch personnel have authorization before it's too late when Customs or whoever is on duty fails to properly identify the target as friend or foe? We have no way of knowing the Secret Service policy governing unidentified targets penetrating the FRZ. |
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