What are your thoughts on.....

Hello,
As a senior in high school, i was able to get my private pilot's
license on dec 31, 2003. i love flying(what pilot doesn't, right?)
but i'm looking for a cheaper way to build hours then renting. i was
just playing with an idea, and i wanted your responses. Would an
airplane owner ever offer to share operating expenses for payment to
share a plane? i know that i would have to be put on an insurance
plan, and i of course would pay for over half of the owners insurance
payement, plus whatever kind of costs for annuals and other
inspections. i know this is almost like co-ownership, but i don't
have the resources to be buying a plane. I'm not trying to ask for
something for nothing, as i've said, i'll pay for operating and
insurance costs, as agreed with an owner.

Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!

Thanks in advance,
Benjamin

If you want to email me....
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My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

Good luck.


"Ben" wrote in message
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Hello,
As a senior in high school, i was able to get my private pilot's
license on dec 31, 2003. i love flying(what pilot doesn't, right?)
but i'm looking for a cheaper way to build hours then renting. i was
just playing with an idea, and i wanted your responses. Would an
airplane owner ever offer to share operating expenses for payment to
share a plane? i know that i would have to be put on an insurance
plan, and i of course would pay for over half of the owners insurance
payement, plus whatever kind of costs for annuals and other
inspections. i know this is almost like co-ownership, but i don't
have the resources to be buying a plane. I'm not trying to ask for
something for nothing, as i've said, i'll pay for operating and
insurance costs, as agreed with an owner.

Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!

Thanks in advance,
Benjamin

If you want to email me....
#b#a#s#o#g#@#r#r#c#n#e#t#.#o#r#g#

My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

Otherwise known as SPAM. The only people I want to hear from in my inbox are
my friends, family and those I have given permission to email me. I am not
trying to be arrogant, but I HATE unsolicited email with a passion.

Richard

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
I tried to email you but your email system rejected my address:

Recipient address:
Reason: Server rejected MAIL FROM address.
Diagnostic code: smtp;550 5.0.0 porn spamming network
Remote system: dns;mail.rrcnet.org
(TCP|167.206.5.72|57474|209.105.74.131|25) (rrc2.rrcnet.org ESMTP Hello
from
rrcnet; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:51:13 -0600)


Good luck.


"Ben" wrote in message
om...
Hello,
As a senior in high school, i was able to get my private pilot's
license on dec 31, 2003. i love flying(what pilot doesn't, right?)
but i'm looking for a cheaper way to build hours then renting. i was
just playing with an idea, and i wanted your responses. Would an
airplane owner ever offer to share operating expenses for payment to
share a plane? i know that i would have to be put on an insurance
plan, and i of course would pay for over half of the owners insurance
payement, plus whatever kind of costs for annuals and other
inspections. i know this is almost like co-ownership, but i don't
have the resources to be buying a plane. I'm not trying to ask for
something for nothing, as i've said, i'll pay for operating and
insurance costs, as agreed with an owner.

Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!

Thanks in advance,
Benjamin

If you want to email me....
#b#a#s#o#g#@#r#r#c#n#e#t#.#o#r#g#

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
[...]
My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

Why you replied by email, I don't know. However, as far as the blocked
domain goes, it's likely he has nothing to do with that.

Probably his ISP is using one of those obnoxious black-hole lists that
automatically detects spam and adds IP ranges from which the spam originated
to its database. Of course, since a third of all spam these days is being
sent from compromised but otherwise legitimate users, this sort of idiotic
solution results in innocent bystanders getting their email blocked.

My ISP provides this kind of "service", and once I found out what was going
on, I told them to disable it for my email. I don't get any more spam than
I used to, and I don't have friends and family complaining that they can't
send me email anymore.

Pete

"Soon_To_Fly" wrote in message
e.rogers.com...
My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

Otherwise known as SPAM. The only people I want to hear from in my inbox
are
my friends, family and those I have given permission to email me. I am not
trying to be arrogant, but I HATE unsolicited email with a passion.

I don't think he means "you stop millions of legitimate pieces of email".
He just means there are millions of legitimate addresses, a handful of whom
might actually send you email. For example, if one of your friends or
family or those you have given permission to email you are using
optonline.net, they would not be able to send you email.

I hate spam as much as they next guy, but seems like you're flying off the
handle a bit here...

"Ben" wrote in message
om...
Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!

It depends. But sure, if structured right, as an airplane owner I would
consider something like that.

Without a capital investment, you would expect less than full partnership
benefits, while being expected to pay full rate for your fair share of
operating expenses. That means that you'd pay the pro-rata share of fixed
costs, plus all hourly costs incurred by you. At the same time, you would
not have priority for scheduling, you would have no say in how maintenance
on the airplane was done, nor on how to manage the fixed costs, that sort of
thing.

Also keep in mind that I don't know what the legality of something like this
would be. As an owner, I wouldn't make such an offer to just anyone. It'd
have to be someone I know well and whom I'd otherwise consider for
partnership in the airplane. I also wouldn't go out of my way to mention
the arrangement to the FAA. Some inspector might get the mind to call such
an arrangement a lease, even though IMHO it's clearly a partnership of
sorts.

If you or the owner are really worried about the legality, you could even
draw up some sort of partnership papers that outline your rights (or lack
thereof) as a partner, and your investment (or lack therof).

Pete

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

I block CableVision as well, too much spam from the 167.206.x.x IP range...

Nobodies complained about it... g

Well Im also a senior in high school, but I think I have it easy right
now. I have about 200 hours and a fresh IFR ticket. I talked my Dad into
buying a plane, A PA-24-250 about 3 months ago now. I have been trying
to fly around 3 time a week and 1-2 x-countrys. But the gas does get
costly. The cheapest way is to find friends that like to fly, and other
people at the airport and spilt the cost right down the middle. That
makes it alot cheaper. My dad works about 150 miles from our house and
he stays at my grandmas during the week, but he has me pick him up
sometimes. So I get a few hours doing that. But the best way is finding
people at the airport and trade off doing saftey pilot.

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Peter Duniho wrote:

Probably his ISP is using one of those obnoxious black-hole lists that
automatically detects spam and adds IP ranges from which the spam originated
to its database.

The problem is that some people get so much spam that if they didn't
take drastic filtering measures they wouldn't get your email anyway --
they wouldn't have time to sift through the spam looking for it.

Of course, since a third of all spam these days is being
sent from compromised but otherwise legitimate users, this sort of idiotic
solution results in innocent bystanders getting their email blocked.

Not really. 'Compromised' broadband users infected with viruses that
turn them into spam zombies should still be sending their legitimate
email through their ISP's server, which will not be on the DUL-style
lists I assume you are refering to. There is plenty of collateral
damage from IP blocking, but the cause of those blocks is usually ISP
supported spam.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

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Tony wrote:
Well Im also a senior in high school, but I think I have it easy right
now. I have about 200 hours and a fresh IFR ticket. I talked my Dad into
buying a plane, A PA-24-250 about 3 months ago now. I have been trying
to fly around 3 time a week and 1-2 x-countrys. But the gas does get
costly.

If you just want to build time you should be pulling the power back
to 45%! Or you should have talked your dad into the PA-24-180. ;-)

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/