the USS Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group doesn't make for a 'massive' build-up for war with Iran

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:05:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje
wrote:

On a sunny day (20 Oct 2006 13:44:08 -0700) it happened "Darn Good
Intelligence" wrote in
s.com:


Basically, we
couldn't leave Saddam in power in the post 9/11 world - everyone
thought he had WMD,


Your definiton of 'everyone' must be really funny :-)
Not even the CIA! And that is why the White House reveiled
a CIA operative's name, no yellow cake from South Africa.
White house bloody well knew their were no WMDs.
As did everybody else, even the international atomic agency.

But _as I pointed out before_ Bushists will believe anything without proof.
Photos of fish and chips stands passing as 'mobile labs' ;-)
Anyway nothing photoshop and after effects will not create.
Next they will convince you the aliens are coming, read his lips.

Did you ever notice it was the oil producing countries who jumped on the
bandwagon?
UK (North Sea oil) Russia (own oil) Netherlands (natural gas coupled to
oil price), Saudi Arabia (own oil), and the one that had nuke power for 70%
or more did NOT (France).
And Germany was not very willing either.

It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi
masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer.
All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US).

This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and
Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for
the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and
Russians among the coalition batallions.

You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us
rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up.

I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.


Peter Skelton

"Peter Skelton" wrote in message
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I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.


The fact that we stomped the living **** out of Saddam TWICE is a big factor
in keeping other assholes from trying anything and is why Lybia finally quit
the kill Americans for fun game.

On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:01:47 -0400) it happened Peter Skelton
wrote in :

It is all about killing Iraq oil export to get the price up, so the Saudi
masters of Islam converted mole Bush get richer.
All they want is $$$ (and Iraq wanted Euro, that would be the end for the US).

This undoubtedly explains the enthusiasm of Canada, Mexico and
Venizuala, the countries the US buys most of it's oil from for
the idea. And the presence of all those Saudis, Norweigans and
Russians among the coalition batallions.

You're saying those nice ol' boys from Texas wanted to make us
rich so much they overode our objections to get the price up.

I've no patience for the had to get reid of Saddam crowd, their
logic is absurd and their evidence non-existant but there sure as
hell are conspirwakos on the other side too.

OK, in detail thing are a bit more complicated, but getting $$ is the issue here.
It was for the Russians (Putin) a matter of what would bring in mo
the higher oil price, or spare parts for the 4000 taxies he sold in Iraq.
As for the Norwegians, I think they have pants full of Russian fear, so it is
important for them to stay close to the US (same for Poland).
The Saudis = the Bush so they were there alright.

I think 'politics' is in a big way to 'mend the people' and truth or no truth
is largely irrelevant.
With strong press control (why do you see no coffins? Fox TV etc..) you can
get the voters to vote for anything, even if they know it is bad for them.
So you give them a 100$ tax rebate, and have them pay 10$ extra each time they
fill up.
But voters are not normally presented that math.... I want the 100$ now:-)
There is also the issue of US image detoriating all over the world, you are no
longer safe.
These threats (created by threatening Iran, provoking N Korea, awakening the Islamic
fanatics, etc) lead to big business, security systems, arms race, all payed by the taxpayer,
and money from the tax payer spend on those things is NOT used on education, welfare,
increased wages, better life for Americans.
It is true that the guys who have jobs doing this will have more to spend, but the whole
operation is at the cost of the rest of the world, 100000 Iraqi civilians, 3000 US mil,
it would perhaps be better if they had all contributed their knowledge and lived in peace,,,
But that is not the way it is (and human nature).
So it is sort of hard to argue 'I have the better solution', but if you go that way and
sort of see that we really have no free will, and are a result of all forces in the universe
working on us, then you are also free to think on the other side, and then why not grab Saudi
oil and have nice cheap oil and stop Islam?
Leaving aside any 'civilised' thinking, you grabbed the land from the natives,
dunno how many injuns have been killed, Israel grabbed Palestine, China grabbed Tibet, wtf
are the US waiting for to grab the oil in Saudi Arabia?
Chavez does in... Putin does it.... those Bushist are simply not hawkish enough :-)
Saudis think it is smart having US protection... but if your protector is all powerful,
as the US is with H nukes, he does not really need you... so why keep you.

Anyways....power may shift, the Roman empire is no more, after Caesar it started to decline.
Alliances fell apart.....
China is very powerful atm, although now friendly with the US, already owns large parts
of the US!
If power is moving there, then US will have to play second fiddle, or attach and destroy the
rest of the world.
I agree that if you have to pay second fiddle you better have your own oil...... resources.
Other leaders (countries) know this....
It is funny how ever much Bush screamed, N Korea announced more nuke tests, ONE meeting
with China and no more nuke tests.... talk about influence :-)
There you go.

Defendario wrote:
wrote:
Hmm..

I guess you don't remember when the USN nearly wiped out ALL Iranian's
Navy back in the 80s.


There have been a lot of changes since then. The USN is in grave
danger. The Persian Gulf may get the reputation earned by Ironbottom
Sound. They are not invulnerable.

siren /on VAMPIRE VAMPIRE VAMPIRE! NOT A DRILL! siren /off



AirRaid wrote:
I don't understand... the deployment of the Eisenhower Carrier Battle
Group alone does not seem like we're ready or even getting ready for an
air-war against Iran. even assuming there are say, 2 other Carrier
Battle Groups in the Gulf and/or Med, that still does not seem like
the United States is ready to goto war against Iran.

in Gulf War I / Desert Storm, the U.S. had 6 Carrier Groups in the
region.

in Gulf War II / Iraqi Freedom, the U.S., I believe, had 5 Carrier
groups in the region.

Iran is far larger and undamaged from years of airstrikes. they capable
of taking out U.S. warships unlike Iraq. one would think the U.S.
would need at least
6 to 8 Carrier groups (with a lot of Aegis cruisers & destroys) in the
area to deal with Iran, unless the USAF is going to play a larger role.


I just don't see how the Eisenhower group arriving in late October, and
some minesweepers, is signaling war with Iran anytime soon. unless the
USN build-up is much larger than reported, and the U.S. already has a
massive amount naval firepower there, or in route.


Rummy is a NeoKlown, and thinks he can do more with less than any
military leader in the history of mankind. He is a dangerous idiot, and
is going to get boatloads of sailors killed.


then again, I suppose a single Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine
loaded with Trident II SLBMs with many *small* nuclear warheads each
could do the job


Define "the job"

The only thing Dumsfeld knows about jobs is

let "Boeing handle it",
since they're the only people understand Physics.

Ans the only thing Boeing know about Missles is:
Let "IBM" handle it", since they're
the only people who understand letterrs.

"Diamond Jim" wrote in message
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"Ricardo" wrote in message
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Darn Good Intelligence wrote:
Ricardo wrote:

Darn Good Intelligence wrote:

William Black wrote:


"Darn Good Intelligence" wrote in message
oglegroups.com...

Well if you are going to be the worlds only superpower, you have to act
like it.

The trouble is, with childish comments like this, you sound more like an
adolescent bully who has yet to grow into his spots, with a hobby of mugging
the old and infirm - and when they try to get an anti-mugging kit together,
you scream 'nuke the *******s, because they're threatening me'.

Sad, sad little man, from a paranoid nation of sad, sad little men!

--
When you discover that "they" really are out to get you, you may realise
that you're not quite as paranoid as you thought you were.

Defendario wrote:
wrote:

Mike Weeks is an evil individual...


As well as being an UnAmerican asshole.

...yet he has taken an extremely bad poker hand and played it as best
he could(USS Liberty murders...GOI story stunk to high heaven right
from get-go...gets stinkier and stinkier when you even begin to scratch
the surface)


IsReeL stinks. It needs wiped from the pages of history, like Mahmoud
says.



Fortunately, you get wiped first.

Plonk

Mike Weeks is an evil individual who runs away from issues that he
himself has raised in the past...most currently the lies the GOI tried
to wiggle out of as to US and UK miltary involvement in the SixDayWar.

There is no reason to call him an "asshole" NOR ENGAGE in any profanity
whatsoever...profanity says more about the character of the individual
spewing it than it does about the individual it is being directed at.

Israel has an absolute right to exist under the UN second
partition...that same declaration ..signed onto by the US and UK also
calls for the "right of return" of the original Palestinian
inhabitants.

Stating predjudicial statements of "wiping Israel off the map" serve no
purpose other than to inflame....

I'd appreciate that you not use my postings in your replies to Mike
Weeks... I, of course, have no way of enforcing something like that...




....but I am having a tough enough time getting him to answer some
seminal points;to wit,

Mikey, m'wee bairn!!!

Hyperlink me to a post or a textbook or historical commentary from 1997
where US Ambassador to Egypt, Richard Parker thoroughly discredited
Greg Reight...

Did someone in the IDF realize their gaffe and send a Mirage Fighter
over that Egyptian airfield at a later date?

Is that IDF photo on your AOL Hometown site shot at the same angle as
you claimed the cropped picture was????....







IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN WITH MIKE...you don't need to use profanity...

Mikey ...as Wing Commander of the Data Entry Squadron, do you wear a
leather flight jacket? Can I play the role of Ensign Dvorak of the
Keyboard Squadron, m'wee bairn????

Mikey...do you OWN a leather flight jacket?

I'll dress up as Mr. Spock with Vulcan ears if you wear your leather
flight jacket!!!! Bwaaahaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!!

wrote:
Mike Weeks is an evil individual who runs away from issues that he
himself has raised in the past...most currently the lies the GOI tried
to wiggle out of as to US and UK miltary involvement in the SixDayWar.


Mike Weeks is an UnAmerican tool of zioNism -- IOW a traitorous asshole.

There is no reason to call him an "asshole" NOR ENGAGE in any profanity
whatsoever...profanity says more about the character of the individual
spewing it than it does about the individual it is being directed at.


I calls 'em likes I sees 'em, no more no less.

Israel has an absolute right to exist under the UN second
partition...that same declaration ..signed onto by the US and UK also
calls for the "right of return" of the original Palestinian
inhabitants.


Apartheid terror entities have no right to exist. Period.

Stating predjudicial statements of "wiping Israel off the map" serve no
purpose other than to inflame....


The fUSSR has been wiped off the map, like the supremacist South African
state and Nazi Germany. IsReeL, the terror entity, deserves the same fate.

I'd appreciate that you not use my postings in your replies to Mike
Weeks... I, of course, have no way of enforcing something like that...


I do not reply to the tool of zioNism Mike Weeks.

REMAINDER BINNED

Well..I think I've been pretty even-handed in ensuring the GOI is not
held to any standard that the LVA is not willing to hold themselves
to...

....i think you would be hard-pressed to find any who would agree that I
am a shill for Mike Weeks---the fact that he runs away from my postings
DEMONSTRATIVELY ESTABLISHES just the opposite.

Neither South Africa NOR the Soviet Union have been wiped off the
map...thay have had changes in government...

...Israel also needs its anti-zionist elements to be lawfully elevated
to power. Indeed though...Israel is, by definition, an apartheid
state---you could have stated that without the profanity in your
postings.

I am in the middle of trashing the USS Liberty War Crimes Complaint's
prospects in US District Court at the moment due to the conduct of LVA
Legal Director, Ron Gotcher, , The Officers of the LVA, as well as ....

......usslibertyinquiry site administrator, Kenneth J Halliwell's
conduct involving an underage boy ,Andrew Nacin, in TWO felonies.

I then have to report the conduct of Gotcher, Halliwell and Nacin to
the respective law-enforcement authorities for their criminal conduct.

Subsequent to that, we can return to the discussion of Mike Weeks.

wrote:
Well..I think I've been pretty even-handed in ensuring the GOI is not
held to any standard that the LVA is not willing to hold themselves
to...


WTF are you on about?

...i think you would be hard-pressed to find any who would agree that I
am a shill for Mike Weeks---the fact that he runs away from my postings
DEMONSTRATIVELY ESTABLISHES just the opposite.


A strawman? Where did anyone say that you were a shill for Weeks?

Learn to post to UseNet without fukking the atributions, and then we can
talk.

Neither South Africa NOR the Soviet Union have been wiped off the
map...thay have had changes in government...


Wrong-o, fool. Both those nations ceased to exist. They were wiped
from the pages of history (that being the exact translation of Mr
Ahmedinejad's words)

..Israel also needs its anti-zionist elements to be lawfully elevated
to power. Indeed though...Israel is, by definition, an apartheid
state---you could have stated that without the profanity in your
postings.


TY for your agreement. There is no right for an Apartheid state to
exist. Period.

I am in the middle of trashing the USS Liberty War Crimes Complaint's
prospects in US District Court at the moment due to the conduct of LVA
Legal Director, Ron Gotcher, , The Officers of the LVA, as well as ....

.....usslibertyinquiry site administrator, Kenneth J Halliwell's
conduct involving an underage boy ,Andrew Nacin, in TWO felonies.

I then have to report the conduct of Gotcher, Halliwell and Nacin to
the respective law-enforcement authorities for their criminal conduct.

Subsequent to that, we can return to the discussion of Mike Weeks.


Why bother? I have killfiled that fool, since he is a tool of zioNism.