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Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?
Jose wrote in news:mwHqg.60108$Lm5.38218
@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: Who decided that amount? Society. You mean, the part of society that is not greedy? Jose Perhaps I'm not clear on what I mean by greed. I'm talking about excessive unrelenting greed for profit derived without regard to the human condition. For example, take again that feller that 'donated' 30+ billion dollars to charity. Obviously he has no need or want for it, or else he wouldn't be giving it away. Just doing a quick number crunch, 30 billion dollars would give 721,154 people a $1 an hour raise for 20 years. I'd bet that would do far more to help people - and the economy - than giving 30B in *stocks* to another rich mans 'charity' where only the interest on those stocks would be used to do any good. And what if the stocks tank? Then the charity tanks. Look, I have no problem with making profit, even making lot's of profit. What I do have a problem with is making that profit by reducing the work force to near 'slave labor' conditions to make that profit. I'm sorry if my giving a **** about other peoples livelihoods and quality of life is so offensive to you. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?
No and no.
-- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/ Because we fly, we envy no one. It used to be that most pilots I knew rode motorcycles, but that seems to be less of a correlation lately. Wot say the group -- do you currently ride a motorcycle? Did you in the past? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?
Perhaps I'm not clear on what I mean by greed. I'm talking about
excessive unrelenting greed for profit derived without regard to the human condition. How excessive is "excessive"? And aren't you unrelenting in your greed? I mean, you still insist on getting paid at your job, right? Or if retired, of getting all your retirement benefits? Even though other people could benefit from them? For example, take again that feller that 'donated' 30+ billion dollars to charity. Obviously he has no need or want for it, or else he wouldn't be giving it away. I guess he's greedy for giving his money away. Hmmm, tell me again how the world is banana shaped. And he's not just "giving it away", he's giving it to an organization which supports causes he supports, by and large, and will see to it that his money is used more or less to further causes he believes in. That's hardly "no need or want of it". Just doing a quick number crunch, 30 billion dollars would give 721,154 people a $1 an hour raise for 20 years. I'd bet that would do far more to help people - and the economy... That's laughable. If people had free money, they wouldn't be as interested in working so hard, or at less interesting jobs. There would be a shortage of burger flippers, wages would go up, prices would go up, and all the extra free money would not buy more burgers. It would buy the same number of more expensive but still mediocre burgers. It's the fallacy of welfare. Look, I have no problem with making profit, even making lot's of profit. "lots of profit". Or perhaps, "Lot's profit", since "salary" comes from "salt". What I do have a problem with is making that profit by reducing the work force to near 'slave labor' conditions to make that profit. Slaves are forced by their owners to work. Employees are not owned. They are not forced to work, except by the same conditions that force you and I to work, and I bet we are working under "slave labor" conditions compared to those rich tycoons in Beverly Hills, who can go into a recording studio and make a million for sneezing with the right intonation. If workers don't like the deal, they can work elsewhere. If customers don't like the deal, they can buy elsewhere. The problem is not greed, nor is it rich individuals. The problem is the disparity between the power of an individual vs a large corporation like WalMart or Microsoft. WalMart affects millions when it decides to quit (or enter) an area, an individual has little effect on a corporation like WalMart. This is why unions were developed, but then unions =became= large corporations, and became the problem rather than the solution. There is a similar issue between government and their subjects. In aviation terms, look at the difference between buying and flying certificated aircraft vs homebuilt ones - it's the same effect (or rather, the same fundamental cause). Corporations are supposed to be greedy. That's how stockholders get their dividends. If you feel you are on the wrong end of the stick, buy some stock. Then, while trying to figure out how you are going to put your kids through college, tell the corporation to lower prices and reduce dividends. You won't mind losing all that filthy lucre, and your kids won't mind not going to college. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?
Nevermind, Jose. You're reading what you want to read in
my posts and not what I'm saying. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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