Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade

"Peter R." wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

Here's a rollup of FBO prices at TEB for this week:

Signatu $38/night
Atlantic: $25/night
1st Aviation $35/night
Million Air $45/night

Gas prices ranged from $5 to over $6/gallon

Millionare used to wave the first night's fee if fuel were purchased, or
if
you talked really sweet to the counter women. I would call and
inquire
about this if you are going to TEB.


That is a true statement. (I called to verify)

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

Am I reading the chart right, As far as the class B airspace goes, if I
come right up the coast and stay below 1500' can I thread the airspace
between jfk and newark and fly right over 'ground zero' on my way to TEB?

Not exactly. The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need
to watch out for that. As for the rest, you have to maintain clearance
from buildings and such, so you can't safely fly "right over" anything
except the harbor, the rivers and the bridges unless you get clearance
into the B.

Yup, and if you're not up in the Class B, you can't always fly right over
all the bridges--you have to avoid coming within 500' of the towers.

--Gary

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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George Patterson wrote:

The class-B floor dips to 1100' over NY harbor, so you need to
watch out for that.

Be sure you're flying with a terminal chart or - even better - a
helicopter
chart. Otherwise, it is too easy to miss one of those little chunks where
the airspace drops.

The NY TAC has a handy helicopter-chart inset on the back.

--Gary

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB. If you
park at either Long Island Jet Center or Atlantic Aviation, they will take
you to the Farmingdale Long Island Rail Road train station 5 minutes away.
Contrary to what Dave M wrote, an evening trip TO NYC is not rush hour. Even
if it was, the trains operate on a schedule and they're on-time about 95% of
the time so a delay should not be expected. Delays due to other reasons are
usually 5-10 minutes. Actually, trains run every 20 minutes during rush hour
as opposed to once an hour at other times (off-peak) so it's probably better
during rush hour (albeit a bit crowded).

The actual train ride is about 55 minutes and it will take you into Penn
Station like the trains coming from NJ. I would either go to FRG or MMU in
NJ. Weather looks dicey, use caution.

Marco Leon



"John Doe" wrote in message
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"David Megginson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the
Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.

Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?

IFR or VFR?

If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).

I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.

Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?






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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB.

Not true. If you respond promptly to ATC calls, keep your speed up on
final, and know the taxiways and departure procedures at Teterboro, the
controllers and FBOs will give your spamcan the same excellent service as
the corporate jets.

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004, my
only complaints were the fees, the dirt that accumulated on my aircraft
every week from having to be tied down outside, and the occasional longer
delays getting out of there IFR.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004,
my only complaints were the fees

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

The fees have gone up since.

Millionair's daily fee at TEB jumped from $30 to $45 when I was flying
there back in 2004. Based on that earlier post showing the fees at all the
FBOs at TEB, it appears it hasn't gone up since. Fuel, on the other hand,
most likely jumped 50% since that time.

--
Peter

Andrew Gideon wrote:

However, what is being described is a common route for tourists and
helicopters: the "Hudson VFR Cooridor" or "Exclusion Zone".

No, he indicated that he wanted to fly "right over ground zero." That's on land
and east of the corridor. Sounded to me like he wants to fly over lower
Manhattan at just under 1500'.

Hanging a left from the exclusion to head for CDW would not be a problem IMO,
though I tend to go a bit further north and avoid TEB airspace. I would be a bit
nervous about trying to contact TEB from the exclusion with intentions of
landing there. I think that's cutting the timing a bit fine. I think it would be
easier to come in through the class-B.

Roger getting the terminal chart. That's a near-necessity for that run.

George Patterson
We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop
playing.

Gary Drescher wrote:

Yup, and if you're not up in the Class B, you can't always fly right over
all the bridges--you have to avoid coming within 500' of the towers.

You can clear the decks of the narrows bridge and the GWB with no problems if
you move over near the center of the span. I suspect a lot of us get closer to
the towers of the GWB than we should.

George Patterson
We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop
playing.

Andrew Gideon wrote:

I first learned that trick on my club checkride.

Wish I'd heard of that one a few years ago.

George Patterson
We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop
playing.