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If the airport has a very long runway, then a small aircraft could takeoff and reach pattern altitude before the end of the runway.The same is true for an approach. A go-around would also place an aircraft next to the runway where jumpers might be descending. Leonard Milcin Jr. wrote: Taking in mind that everybody is circling *around* the airport or being pretty in line with runway on pretty low altitude that should not pose a problem? No airplane is supposed to be ,,next to the runway'' or enywhere higher up from that point, am I right? Leonard |
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message oups.com... If the airport has a very long runway, then a small aircraft could takeoff and reach pattern altitude before the end of the runway.The same is true for an approach. A go-around would also place an aircraft next to the runway where jumpers might be descending. Doesn't even have to be a "small" plane, just a good climber, lightly loaded, or both. Leonard Milcin Jr. wrote: Taking in mind that everybody is circling *around* the airport or being pretty in line with runway on pretty low altitude that should not pose a problem? No airplane is supposed to be ,,next to the runway'' or enywhere higher up from that point, am I right? Leonard |
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My airport has active jump operations... The divers are a threat to
aircraft, buildings, vehicles, and people on the ground... Their operation is purely a pain in the butt... They cause planes to have to break off and circle to avoid them.. The last encounter I had, 3 airplanes had to circle for just shy of 20 minutes while the jump plane dropped students at two different altitudes, who immediately popped their chutes and leisurely floated down.. We just recently had a jumper out of control land on top of one of the hangars then slide off the roof hitting a car and breaking his leg... While we don't have tiedown airplanes on our field that car could have been my plane sitting on the ramp... The jump pilot is a relatively nice guy, but his habits are a pain... He makes one cryptic announcement on unicom a few minutes before the jumpers leap then right as they leap, and if you immediately call him back to query as to exactly where they are he won't answer... When I confronted him on this he says he is too busy with configuring the plane, talking to ATC (13 miles away on another frequency, and keeping the jumpers in sight as he descends to answer the unicom calls... In addition the two calls he does make on unicom are easily missed (and usually are) in the unicom chatter on a busy weekend and the meat bombs appear out of no where..... In a sane world jump operations would be reserved to a jump field... denny |
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In a sane world jump operations would be reserved to a jump field...
Fly into Deland, Florida, someday, to see chaos in the sky. Two twin Otters, continually dumping meat bombs over an incredibly busy GA airport. There's not a moment when the sky isn't full of canopies. The fact that only one or two jumpers have been killed is, quite simply, miraculous, in my humble opinion. It's also a tribute to the skill and cooperative nature of pilots. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On 2006-05-07, Chris Ehlbeck wrote:
But it doesn't make sense to me to jump out a perfectly good airplane either! If you've ever seen a skydiver jump ship, you'll realise that they are NOT jumping out of perfectly good airplanes! The adage is make the jump ship scary enough that the skydivers don't want to ride it back down to a landing, but not quite scary enough that the pilot doesn't want to ride it back to a landing... -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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Jim Macklin wrote:
Sky divers are supposed to notify ATC and there are NOTAMS. Not everybody really knows or follows the rules. Jump areas are supposed to be approved, but hey, a lot of jumpers break into buildings, climb bridges and otherwise break the law. Yep. NOTAM at Waller CC, Waller County Texas, watched a 172 go lumbering right through a crowd of folks under canopy in beautiful VFR conditions at 5000' right over the field. I was under canopy there too. Interesting sight. I always wondered if the pilot (1) was aware of the NOTAM (2) didn't hear the "jumpers away" call (3) was amazed to see all these big birds around him (4) had to change his shorts upon landing. Richard |
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I hear jumpers away calls all the time in my area. They are always over an
airport. I have never heard a call that was not over an airport. On top of that, the jumpers away calls are very fast and mumbled. I think they have some kind of policy to say it three times, so they rush through it as fast as they can. I can never make out which airport it is at. I personally would take a bit more time knowing someone's life may depend on it. "Newps" wrote in message . .. Roy Smith wrote: In article , Newps wrote: And the approved area will never be at the airport, always away from it unless it is for some kind of airshow type demonstration. Around here, we have several airports where the jump area is right over the airport. The jumpers land in the grass next to the runway. I understand that, that happens all over the place. But have the FAA come over to your jump club for a Wings type safety presentation and have the nice FSDO person give you all the FAA reccomendations for jump operations. They will always reccomend that the landing zone be a few miles away from the airport, well outside the normal traffic patterns. |
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I believe that it's perfectly legal to fly NORDO. Tough to hear "Jumpers
Away" under those circumstances. Of course, if I'm NORDO, I'm going to be very watchful, particularly near an airport. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "Richard" wrote in message ... Jim Macklin wrote: Sky divers are supposed to notify ATC and there are NOTAMS. Not everybody really knows or follows the rules. Jump areas are supposed to be approved, but hey, a lot of jumpers break into buildings, climb bridges and otherwise break the law. Yep. NOTAM at Waller CC, Waller County Texas, watched a 172 go lumbering right through a crowd of folks under canopy in beautiful VFR conditions at 5000' right over the field. I was under canopy there too. Interesting sight. I always wondered if the pilot (1) was aware of the NOTAM (2) didn't hear the "jumpers away" call (3) was amazed to see all these big birds around him (4) had to change his shorts upon landing. Richard |
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B A R R Y wrote:
On 5 May 2006 17:47:34 -0700, "Flyingmonk" wrote: http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11...by_an_Airplane Guy almost hit by airplane while skydiving. A few years ago, we had a C172 vs. skydiver @ Northampton, MA. The pedestrian knocked the tail off the plane and suffered a broken leg. All aboard the aircraft perished. Cherokee not a 172, back in 1993. |
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Flyingmonk wrote:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11...by_an_Airplane Guy almost hit by airplane while skydiving. The Monk No, airplane almost hit by meat bomb. |
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