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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:11:49 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote: Alan Minyard wrote in message .. . Condemning an entire race because of the misdeeds of a few is a recipe for disaster. Al Minyard When they use civilians as soldiers, I consider their civilians as soldiers. When their leaders push *all* Muslims to action, I suspect all Muslims until proven loyal. If they think this unfair, they should stop. When I see massive marches of "peaceful" Muslims taking back their religion from the Wahhabis/Salafis I'll narrow my suspicions. Many of the politically correct czars have no guilt in suspecting Christians after a couple of anti-abortion murders strike, yet they aren't sure that thousands dead from Islamists is reason to suspect them. I agree fully that theocracies and terrorists are bad, but there are quite a few Arab-Americans who have nothing to do with either. Al Minyard |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:20:24 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote: Alan Minyard wrote in message .. . On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:16:18 -0500, "tscottme" wrote: There are numerous examples of Israel pulling back or helping the "palestinians" only to have that be taken as a sign of weakness and increased terrorism followed. For Pete's sake the Israelis equipped the PA police, they pulled out of Lebanon behind UN mandated lines, left the West Bank until attacks forced them to return. Israel is only further along the same path the US has just started on fighting terrorism. There already is a palestinian state, it's called Jordan. The Hashemites should pick up their toys and return to the Arabian peninsula. Israel is not a proponent of peace. They, like the Palestinians, seek the utter destruction of their "enemies". The settlements in Palestinian territory illustrate this. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Al Minyard Is that why Israel left Lebanon, behind a UN approved border, equipped the Palestinian Authority, due to Oslo, and fenced and remained out of Gaza because they are seeking to destroy the people that murder them? Israel offered a very large proportion of the land the "palestinians" demanded and the response was not a counter-offer, not an argument, but another war. Why the "palestinians" haven't been expelled to Jordan where they belong is funny. Jordan is 70+ percent of Palestine, it's populated by 60+ percent "palestinians" and the Hashemites are an occupying Arabian tribe, yet they only want the land of the Jews. Look at the map of Palestine that Arafat's group wants, it's all of the area, except for Jordan, since Jordan kicked their ass and doesn't wilt to charges of "bias". You don't know what you are talking about and assume that issuing equal blame for both sides makes you sound fair and impartial. I know quite well what I am talking about. Theocracies are evil, always have been, always will be. Al Minyard |
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"Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message ...
Terrorism is very much a local phenomenon with branch offices in nations that allow it You are living in the past. Terrorism is a local phenomenon only if all the funding, weapons, training, personnel and other forms of support are "centralized locally". A modern terrorist group cannot hope to survive if it's structured like an octopus. That model is vulnerable and obsolete. the credibility of the USA has now sunk so low Compared to who...France and Germany? : ) that nobody is even going to bother to read them, so it would be regarded almost universally as agression pure and simple Dismantling or dispersing militant groups in the Middle East is more important than targeting single individuals like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. During World War II, the Germans and the British proved that chasing one guy all over the place was a complete waste of time, money and lives. The Nazis expended enormous resources making futile attempts to take out just one man. For example, the Germans committed a huge raiding force including a mountain division and a battalion of 800 SS paratroopers in a bid to get Tito at his headquarters. The German parachute battalion was nearly wiped out as they suffered 600 casualties in the assault. Tito escaped. The Germans came away empty-handed...again. The British made a similar but smaller scale attempt to kill Rommel at a misidentified headquarters in the Middle East. Another dismal failure with heavy losses for the British Commandos. In other words, it's not wise to focus too much effort on one person. Amazing how quickly the egghead critics have forgotten it, particularly German critics who would rather not discuss their own embarrassing adventures at that game. |
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I know quite well what I am talking about. Theocracies are evil, always have been, always will be. Al Minyard I fully agree, and the Israeli Gov't definition of that any person of the Jewish religion has a right of settlement in Israel, but someone of another religion who was originally born (or whose parents were born) inside the geographical state of Israel does not have the right of return makes Israel a theocracy. David Nicholls |
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The Nazis expended enormous resources making futile attempts to take out just one man. For example, the Germans committed a huge raiding force including a mountain division and a battalion of 800 SS paratroopers in a bid to get Tito at his headquarters. The German parachute battalion was nearly wiped out as they suffered 600 casualties in the assault. Tito escaped. The Germans came away empty-handed...again. The British made a similar but smaller scale attempt to kill Rommel at a misidentified headquarters in the Middle East. Another dismal failure with heavy losses for the British Commandos. In other words, it's not wise to focus too much effort on one person. Amazing how quickly the egghead critics have forgotten it, particularly German critics who would rather not discuss their own embarrassing adventures at that game. The German Tito raid was carried out by the SS Parachute Battalion 500 which was mostly a low morale penal unit. Yugoslavia with its rugged mountails and poor rail & communications structure also made it an excellent partisan stronghold. You fail to mention that a large number of Tito's partisans were killed in the assault and that Tito himself was almost caught- barely escaping with his life. And BTW, the Germans DID rescue/recapture Mussolini from Gran Sasso... Rob |
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"Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message ...
"Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... Terrorism is a local phenomenon only if all the funding, weapons, training, personnel and other forms of support are "centralized locally". A modern terrorist group cannot hope to survive if it's structured like an octopus. That model is vulnerable and obsolete. That model has never been obsolete, precisely because it is the least vulnerable model. You've got it backwards. That model is not used by global terrorist groups because it is obsolete. Al Qaeda has no centralized system of supply and support. They rely on multiple sources. Groups like al Quaeda are not big monolithic corporations; Exactly. But that statement conflicts with your previous one. the credibility of the USA has now sunk so low Compared to who...France and Germany? : ) Yes, and Russia, the UN, and even the UK... The UK government may have been making the same errors as the US government, by British institutions are still widely regarded as robust and independent, and quite capable of making politicians who misbehave pay the price for it. Heath and Thatcher constantly misbehaved, and got away with it too. Blair appears to be on our payroll. Besides, Blair has the advantage over Bush in that he sounds like a vicar, not a snake-oil salesman... Tony Blair is the biggest arse-kisser of America, because he knows the USA underwrites the security of the United Kingdom. That makes him far more intelligent than the average Brit. Dismantling or dispersing militant groups in the Middle East is more important than targeting single individuals like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. During World War II, the Germans and the British proved that chasing one guy all over the place was a complete waste of time, money and lives. I entirely agree with that. That is why I don't believe that the "decapitation" strategy the US is pursuing in Iraq will have much impact. Arresting or killing Saddam won't solve the problems at all. Only in your fantasies. We aren't pursuing a decapititaion strategy because there are very many heads on the beast. It was better to start with little fish like Iraq, before applying more pressure on Iran and Saudi Arabia. The American administration has the habit of selecting easy targets, instead of real targets. False. We need Iraq's oil to pay for the invasion and disbandment of Hussein's government. But I applaud the President for denying it publicly. That is the politics we learned from the liars and has-beens of Europe and the United Kingdom. ; ) |
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"Evan Brennan" wrote in message
m... "Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message ... "Evan Brennan" wrote in message m... Terrorism is a local phenomenon only if all the funding, weapons, training, personnel and other forms of support are "centralized locally". A modern terrorist group cannot hope to survive if it's structured like an octopus. That model is vulnerable and obsolete. That model has never been obsolete, precisely because it is the least vulnerable model. You've got it backwards. That model is not used by global terrorist groups because it is obsolete. Al Qaeda has no centralized system of supply and support. They rely on multiple sources. Hence the octopus analogy. Groups like al Quaeda are not big monolithic corporations; Exactly. But that statement conflicts with your previous one. Tip: always *read* the post you're replying to. I know it wastes time you could be spending on building Airfix models, but you may avoid looking like a t**t. the credibility of the USA has now sunk so low Compared to who...France and Germany? : ) Yes, and Russia, the UN, and even the UK... The UK government may have been making the same errors as the US government, by British institutions are still widely regarded as robust and independent, and quite capable of making politicians who misbehave pay the price for it. (snip low-grade troll-fodder) John |
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"tscottme" wrote in message ...
Rob van Riel wrote in message om... I can't recall hearing any mullah screaming for my blood recently. Or that of Americans, for that matter. On the other hand, I've heard plenty of Americans screaming for theirs. I'm sure there's a conclusion in those observations, but I'll ignore it for now. Do you know anyone that disputes Iranian support for Hizbollah? You remember Hizbollah, the organization that had killed more Americans than any other terrorist group prior to Sept 11. Simply being ignorant of the rantings of the Iranian mullahs is not exactly the same as they not making the threats. I never said they appreciated the existence of Israel, or that they didn't support groups dedicated to fighting Israel by unsavoury means. Nor am I ignorant of the fact that Hizbollah caused considerable US casualties. What do you expect them to do? Not follow the "supporters of my enemy are my enemies" doctrine? The US seems to have no problem with that reasoning. None of this has any relevance to the fact that in recent years, there have been no calls for the destruction of the US. Rob |
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