Is it easier now?

We were trained to iron discipline and obedience to orders.

Excuse me, but is this supposed to be a reference to the USAAF in
WWII?

I know a retired British colonel who still says "ah, the American
salute" when he comments on young men with their hands in their
pockets.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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The price of paid
later for a sloppy momma's boy military is now well documented. Sadly.

I'm not sure what time period you're talking about here, can you be more
specific because, in my opinion, the US has never had a "sloppy, mamma's boy
military"?

I've got news for you old man, the only differences between those serving from
1940-1945 and those serving today is today everyone (enlisted, NCO and officer)
is better educated. You think you and your B-26 crew had the market cornered on
dedication, bravery and determination, and that may be the biggest BS you
shovel on this news group.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"ArtKramr" wrote

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.

"ArtKramr" wrote

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.

"ArtKramr" wrote

We were trained to iron discipline and obedience to orders.

There were very few enlisted troops with high school diplomas, and those
commissioned sometimes only had a couple of years, and no degree in WW#2.

The price of paid later for a sloppy momma's boy military is now well
documented. Sadly.

Not true. There were more people killed in WW#2 from accidents than
combat. The first thing that happened after Monty hit the beach in
Sicily, was a wave of US bombers out of Libya bombed the **** out of
them. I'd call that sloppy, and probably ****ing stupid.

"Cub Driver" wrote

I know a retired British colonel who still says "ah, the American
salute" when he comments on young men with their hands in their
pockets.

You can spot an American in Europe very easily. He's the one
spitting all the time. You can tell the southern Americans also, they
snort real loud to dig up as much phlem as the can before they shoot.

"D. Strang" wrote in message
news:y9Q%b.6172$m4.2142@okepread03...
"Cub Driver" wrote

I know a retired British colonel who still says "ah, the American
salute" when he comments on young men with their hands in their
pockets.

You can spot an American in Europe very easily. He's the one
spitting all the time. You can tell the southern Americans also, they
snort real loud to dig up as much phlem as the can before they shoot.



You can spot a European in Europe. He's usually the one with bad teeth and
terrible body odor.

Jarg

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:50:11 -0500, Cub Driver wrote:

I know a retired British colonel who still says "ah, the American
salute" when he comments on young men with their hands in their
pockets.

They're called "Airmen Mittens" thankyouverymuch!

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 2/27/04 2:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: 4WP%b.6169$m4.4056@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.


No comment.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
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http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National

Why is the ANG being put down by so many? They provide a very usefull
reserve function and in many cases are regular force members that have
returned to civilian life. In Canada we call these units the reserves.
They are now being used by the CF on many peace keeping and peace making
missions. Most of our reserves are Army types but there is also an air and
naval element reserves. I think they do a dammed fine job.
Ed