GA headed for regulatory trouble

Isn't sex with the 12 year old daughter of your parishioner illegal?

And you believe this because the Federal murderers told you it occurred.
That's the same sort of story they would tell about you if they shot you
down. By the time anyone found out the lie, you would be identified by the
public as just one of those "nutcases", as Jay puts it.

Well, George, this is now the third (?) time you've refuted my assertion
without resorting to facts.

So, let's hear 'em. What made the "nutcases" at Waco and Ruby Ridge so
noble, in your view?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I wasn't trying to be trollish with this message.
I just believe that these incursions aren't going to move in the direction
of removing regulation, but will just steer towards more restriction.

The thing that scares me is the attitude.
There are a lot of "real pilots don't use GPS" types out there.

Exactly.

Anyone who doesn't recognize at least a few pilots they know in this vivid
description leads a pretty sheltered life. I can name a half a dozen of
them, without straining. Luckily, out here in Iowa, they and their "Screw
you" attitude can do us little harm.

For now.

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:hkwxe.123434$xm3.102855@attbi_s21...
I wasn't trying to be trollish with this message.
I just believe that these incursions aren't going to move in the
direction of removing regulation, but will just steer towards more
restriction.

The thing that scares me is the attitude.
There are a lot of "real pilots don't use GPS" types out there.

Exactly.

Anyone who doesn't recognize at least a few pilots they know in this vivid
description leads a pretty sheltered life. I can name a half a dozen of
them, without straining. Luckily, out here in Iowa, they and their "Screw
you" attitude can do us little harm.

I've seldom seen that real-pilots attitude expressed, and would not endorse
it myself. However, I would certainly say that real pilots shouldn't *need*
to use GPS. (The planes I rent don't have it, and I don't yet consider it
cost-effective to buy a handheld one, although I do carry a handheld
COM/VOR/LOC for backup in IMC.)

--Gary

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ngwxe.124355$nG6.40034@attbi_s22...
Isn't sex with the 12 year old daughter of your parishioner illegal?

And you believe this because the Federal murderers told you it occurred.
That's the same sort of story they would tell about you if they shot you
down. By the time anyone found out the lie, you would be identified by
the
public as just one of those "nutcases", as Jay puts it.

Well, George, this is now the third (?) time you've refuted my assertion
without resorting to facts.

So, let's hear 'em. What made the "nutcases" at Waco and Ruby Ridge so
noble, in your view?

http://www.hardylaw.net/waco.html

There are a lot of "real pilots don't use GPS" types out there.

Anyone who doesn't recognize at least a few pilots they know in this vivid
description leads a pretty sheltered life.

Actually, it's "real pilots don't REQUIRE GPS", but it gets lost in
translation. Actually, the ones that scare me are the ones who won't
fly in CAVU if the GPS is TU.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Anyone who doesn't recognize at least a few pilots they know in this vivid
description leads a pretty sheltered life. I can name a half a dozen of
them, without straining. Luckily, out here in Iowa, they and their "Screw
you" attitude can do us little harm.

I've seldom seen that real-pilots attitude expressed, and would not endorse
it myself. However, I would certainly say that real pilots shouldn't *need*
to use GPS. (The planes I rent don't have it, and I don't yet consider it
cost-effective to buy a handheld one, although I do carry a handheld
COM/VOR/LOC for backup in IMC.)

I would consider flying near the ADIZ without GPS to be simply asking
for trouble, although it is (of course) possible to do so.

To fly in an area where loss of situational awareness can cause
evacuation of the White House (or worse), not using every navigational
tool at our disposal is potentially foolhardy. I know that my AvMap
GPS made flying in the ADIZ child's play, even for someone totally
unfamiliar with the area.

Bottom line: If we want to fly without GPS, we've got 99% of the
continental land mass over which to do so, without penalty. We've
really only got to worry about that pesky 1%, for which we should all
be very thankful.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I would consider flying near the ADIZ without GPS to be simply asking
for trouble, although it is (of course) possible to do so.

To fly in an area where loss of situational awareness can cause
evacuation of the White House (or worse), not using every navigational
tool at our disposal is potentially foolhardy.

Then do you consider it foolhardy to fly in IMC without a GPS? The
consequences there of loss of situational awareness are considerably worse
than the consequences of busting the ADIZ.

I'd consider it foolhardy to fly at all without the ability to navigate
reliably without a GPS. I agree it'd be foolhardy to fly without a GPS if a
GPS were available for free (just as it'd be foolhardy to fly without a
Stormscope, TCAS, autopilot, deicing, etc., if those were free). Given the
expense, though--and given the need to be proficient at non-GPS navigation
in any case--I don't think it's at all unreasonable to do without a GPS.

--Gary

Well, George, this is now the third (?) time you've refuted my assertion
without resorting to facts.

So, let's hear 'em. What made the "nutcases" at Waco and Ruby Ridge so
noble, in your view?

http://www.hardylaw.net/waco.html

This webpage is supposed to make me think the Branch Davidians were NOT
nutcases?

Let's see. In the course of the FBI assault, David Koresh has been
shot in the groin, "the bullet blasting a 1-inch wide hole through his
pelvis" yet -- instead of surrendering immediately to the 100 or so FBI
agents that have surrounded his compound -- he's busily "writing his
explanation of the Seven Seals" while stalling a negotiator on the
phone?

Um, Matt, do *you* think that's a wise thing to do after hundreds of
rounds have been fired in a skirmish with law enforcement officials?

I don't know about you, but I'd be face down on the floor, politely
asking the men with the helmets and guns to fetch me a doctor and my
attorney.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
I would consider flying near the ADIZ without GPS to be simply asking
for trouble, although it is (of course) possible to do so.

To fly in an area where loss of situational awareness can cause
evacuation of the White House (or worse), not using every navigational
tool at our disposal is potentially foolhardy.

Then do you consider it foolhardy to fly in IMC without a GPS? The
consequences there of loss of situational awareness are considerably
worse than the consequences of busting the ADIZ.

I'd consider it foolhardy to fly at all without the ability to navigate
reliably without a GPS. I agree it'd be foolhardy to fly without a GPS
if a GPS were available for free (just as it'd be foolhardy to fly
without a Stormscope, TCAS, autopilot, deicing, etc., if those were
free). Given the expense, though--and given the need to be proficient at
non-GPS navigation in any case--I don't think it's at all unreasonable
to do without a GPS.

--Gary

With the way some folks are pushing GPS you'd get the impression
pilots were wandering aimlessly all over the place before GPS
was even available.

Lack of GPS is not the problem.

Having the ADIZ is the problem.

Brian
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Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Blog: http://www.skywise711.com/Blog

Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Well, George, this is now the third (?) time you've refuted my
assertion
without resorting to facts.

So, let's hear 'em. What made the "nutcases" at Waco and Ruby Ridge
so
noble, in your view?

http://www.hardylaw.net/waco.html

This webpage is supposed to make me think the Branch Davidians were NOT
nutcases?

Let's see. In the course of the FBI assault, David Koresh has been
shot in the groin, "the bullet blasting a 1-inch wide hole through his
pelvis" yet -- instead of surrendering immediately to the 100 or so FBI
agents that have surrounded his compound -- he's busily "writing his
explanation of the Seven Seals" while stalling a negotiator on the
phone?

Um, Matt, do *you* think that's a wise thing to do after hundreds of
rounds have been fired in a skirmish with law enforcement officials?

It becomes evident, from all the non-government reports, that surrender was
not going to be allowed.

You know, Jay, I remember other times in hisotry when tyrants wanted to
suppress a minority, they villified and demonized them. Every indication
demonstrates the real nutcases where the guys with the badges.

Being a bit nutty is not illegal; murder from behind a badge still is.

I don't know about you, but I'd be face down on the floor, politely
asking the men with the helmets and guns to fetch me a doctor and my
attorney.

You really need a clue as to what went on.

Read ALL the stuff, including the continuing links, an take the blinders off
and stop being so damn gullible.


Here, this is for you.
--
"At a time when our entire country
is banding together and facing down
individualism, the Patriots set a wonderful
example, showing us all what is possible
when we work together, believe
in each other, and sacrifice for the
greater good." -
SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY, D-MASS., in a statement read
onto the Congressional Record, praising the New
England Patriots and declaring us all to be in
an American war against individualism. --
Quoted in America's 1st Freedom magazine, April, 2002