Co-pilot error caused AA 587 crash

Sylvia Else wrote in message . au...
Ralph Nesbitt wrote:


Wasn't there a criminal prosecution of the crew that was eventually droped
because it came out there was "Political Pressure" involved to place blame
on the crew instead of the gouvernment for allowing the A/C with guests to
be flown during an airshow demonstration combined with questionable computer
programing by Airbus.

Wouldn't surprise me. The French government does seem have a penchant
for bringing criminal prosecutions against people who've demonstrated
less than superhuman abilities in the face of system failures.

Sylvia.

it depends on the situation the have two police forces, both
differently funded neither like each other. judges can play a
different role in the french legal system.

The A300 is FBW, an Airbus crash in Paris... so much for the educated
infos in this group.



mm yes, so it would seem.

idiot.

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:19:36 GMT, "Ralph Nesbitt"
wrote:

Since when did the average "Soccer Mom SUV" become an "Off Road Vehicle"?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Since they were first introduced back in the 70's. It's the loophole
that allows them to qualify as "light trucks" instead of normal
vehicals which means they do not have to conform to the exhaust
emissions regulations all normal cars are held to.

Since they *MUST* have four wheel drive in order to keep their light
truck status, commercials continually hype the usefulness of their
off-road capability, despite the fact that many of them are sold in
states where no snow or ice normally falls.

Where is the reg stateing this? SUV's are the favorites of those that need a
vehicle capable of seating as many as 9, or seating for as many as 6 with
room for their luggage.

Since they are literally (perhaps this has changed recently) built on
truck chassis, people who buy them because they think they are safer
than ordinary cars are mistaken. They, at least until recently, did
not have the crash engineering designed into them that ordinary cars
had. Also, SUV's, because of their higher than normal weight and
higher than normal height, end up being more prone to loss of control
in marginal traction conditions than ordinary automobiles. Or at
least, that is what some experts have attempted to point out for
years.

Built on a light truck chasis yes, The rest is a bit to much fertilizer
IMHO.

Oh yes, almost forgot, SUV's due to their "light truck" status, do not
have to conform to the fuel economy regulations regular cars must
adhere to either. As a result they are collectively known as gas
gusslers and are targeted by green activists for "tickets" against the
environment and some occasional vandalism.

Agree on the fuel economy regs. Gas guzzlers, no more than any other vehicle
in their towing class. Don't know any "Green Activists"

The light truck loophole was created originally to give hard working
farmers a break.

SUV's were originally designed as light closed vehicles for small buisnesses
such as florists, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc that were dressed
up/decked out & marketed to families needing a vehicle larger than a sedan.
Corky Scott

Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Stefan wrote in message ...
David CL Francis wrote:

That is a very much abbreviated version but I believe substantially
correct.

My memory has blurred during all those years, but yes, now I rememberm,
this is exactly how it was found in the report. Thanks for refreshing my
memory.

Summary: You can fly any airplane into the trees if you deliberately
wish to do so.

Stefan


no stefan you memory has been blurred by years of alchohol or drug
abuse.

Quote.
Summary: You can fly any airplane into the trees if you deliberately
wish to do so.
Endquote

so you are saying that Michael Asseline deliberately flew the airbus
into the trees ? and every other PIC/SIC of CFIT incidents ?

****ing moronic ****. **** off and die you waste of space.

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Corky Scott" wrote:

The light truck loophole was created originally to give hard working
farmers a break.

SUV's were originally designed as light closed vehicles for small buisnesses
such as florists, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc that were dressed
up/decked out & marketed to families needing a vehicle larger than a sedan.

That is true. I first saw Chevrolet Blazers on highway construction
projects in the mid-1970s, and that was one of the first SUV-like
vehicles, a light truck closed vehicle with 4-wheel drive.

--
Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites
Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com
Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:01:17 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

devil wrote in message ...
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:03:21 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

Jose wrote in message .com...
An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an air show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Jose

al flyby.

Paris / Air France.

No such a thing in Paris.

yeah? look up paris airshow 1988. an airfrance 320 undertook a flyby
which didnt go according to plan.

prick

No such a thing in Paris. One large plane that crashed at an airshow *in
Paris* was a TU144.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:52:43 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

devil wrote in message ...
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:03:21 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

Jose wrote in message .com...
An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an air show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Jose

al flyby.

Paris / Air France.

No such a thing in Paris.

****

No such a thing in Paris.

If you really insist in making a fool of yourself, be my guest.

"running with scissors" wrote in
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"khobar" wrote in message
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"running with scissors" wrote
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Jose wrote in message
.com...
An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an
air
show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Jose

al flyby.

Paris / Air France.

Is Paris a continent too? Or are you just being stupid for fun?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul Nixon


the question posed was "What was an A320 doing full of passengers at
an airshow?"

the response "a flyby. paris / air france"

if you cant work out that an air france a320 with pax on board was
doing a fly-by at an airshow in paris, from that you should stop
wasting oxygen and ****ing kill yourself. where do i state paris
being a continent? or even france being a continent.

jesus! nixon i retract anything i have referred to you as before.
congratulations. you earn yourself the title as the new ADA resident
"Stupid ****"

you ****ing ignorant prick.

Stupid prick - the aircraft wasn't doing a flyby in Paris.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Paul Nixon

Scott M. Kozel wrote:


That is true. I first saw Chevrolet Blazers on highway construction
projects in the mid-1970s, and that was one of the first SUV-like
vehicles, a light truck closed vehicle with 4-wheel drive.


SUV's go a lot farther back than that. The Chevy Apache was the
precursor to the Suburban and may have been made in the 50's. The 60's
for sure. I owned a 77 IH Scout when I was in college and IH had been
making them for a while.

"running with scissors" wrote in
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Dave wrote in message
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Yeh...

Painting "OVER" their logo, and the big red letters "Air
Canada" stretching along the length of the fuse...

Like with a roller & house paint! (!)

yep aircraft are ofen painted by roller.

Unfortunately, they also have the paint scraped with sharp-edged implements
despite cautions not to use them. There was a story this week about how
minute score lines are propagating into cracks, with potentially disastrous
results.