OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

In article ,
ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

most of them are have passed away.

--
Bob Noel

(Teacherjh) wrote:

If the bullet hits the s in at a shallow angle, there will be much less force
perpendicular to the skin, and it will be less likely to be punctured. The
bullet will just ricochet.

Jose

My impression is that the skin is not that strong, if you apply a
force to a single point like that. It's more like a balloon or an egg
- strong enough for the forces it is designed for, but vulnerable to
other things. I would be surprised if the skin would deflect a bullet
without sustaining enough damage that a puncture is possible.

Teacherjh wrote:

If the bullet hits the s in at a shallow angle, there will be much less force
perpendicular to the skin, and it will be less likely to be punctured. The
bullet will just ricochet.

I think you've confused the skin of an aircraft with that of an armoured personel
carrier. It won't ricochet off a car, much less a plane. Still, the usual pistol
round is unlikely to do much damage unless it hits a structural frame just right
or hits equipment (such as an engine) outside the cabin.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

most of them are have passed away.

Those that haven't have been made airmarshalls.
apart from being 90 years old, suffering from Alzheimers and wearing
diapers they fill the role (and the diaper) very well.

So - are we all feeling safer yet?
I would be very comfortable knowing that one of them was on my flight -
as long as he wasn't sitting next to me

Why is everyone scared of being on the same plane as a guy wirth a gun?
A guy with an Almanac - that is reallllly scary.
Two Almanacs? Run - it's Billy The Kid.
They used to ask if you packed your own bags, or if you had a suitcase
bomb or a pair of nailclippers.
Now they ask the best date to plant wheat in Idaho.
If you answer it correctly they send in the swat team.

Isn't it just slightly possible, that at some time, someone, somewhere
lost their direction? Sure as hell seems like it from where I'm sitting.


--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Check out skin thickness on a passenger jet as you enter the door. Jose's
answer is more likely correct. But in any case I'd rather take a chance on
that than knowing the terrorist controls the p lane and we will all be blown
to bits against his target, or shot down by a fighter. No other options,
old chap, unless some of the passengers are armed. There, I prefer air
marshals or myself.
EGB
"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I have seen it said that a bullet hole through the skin would not
cause explosive decompression. I can believe that is true if it is a
small hole, from relatively perpendicular to the skin. What if the
bullet was at a shallow angle to the skin however, as if it had been
fired along the cabin? Then I would imagine the hole would be more
like a long tear, and explosive decompression seems more likely.


If the bullet hits the s in at a shallow angle, there will be much less
force
perpendicular to the skin, and it will be less likely to be punctured.
The
bullet will just ricochet.

Jose





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armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

Would you, as PIC, be comfortable flying an airplane where a passenger
who is absolutely unknown to you is armed while you yourself are
unarmed?


Michael has a point; are the armed security guards going to be of the quality
of mall rent-a-cops and other police academy failed wannabes?

In article , Martin Hotze
writes:


I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it (!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in my car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid beeing too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


That works only so long as you do not encounter anyone who doesn't care what
you decide. But from that point on, you are either his slave or dead.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , Andrew Rowley
writes:

(Wdtabor) wrote:

What the hell happened to the people who won the Battle of Britain?

Are you saying those who do not carry guns are afraid, and those
carrying guns brave? It seems the other way round to me.



Those who will defend their lives and those of others are brave and those who
depend on the good will of monsters or the bravery of others for their safety
are cowards.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article ,
(Michael) writes:


(Wdtabor) wrote
Now the British airline pilots are considering refusingto fly if there is
an
armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

Would you, as PIC, be comfortable flying an airplane where a passenger
who is absolutely unknown to you is armed while you yourself are
unarmed?


I live in Virginia, I am often in the company of people I do not know who are
armed, and others are often in my company when I am armed. When I am not armed,
I find the company of my fellow honest citizens who are armed to be comforting.


I trust the honest people around me to share in our mutual defense against
those who are unlawful. To do otherwise, and fear your fellow citizens enough
to disarm them, leaves you at the mercy of those who have no regard for law.

Getting into an airplane does not change anything, I would rather the stranger
beside me be one of many on the airplane who are armed than take the chance
that only those who would do me harm are armed.

Of course, ME being armed is even better, but even then, it is better that I
not be the ONLY one armed.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , "Ed"
writes:

Check out skin thickness on a passenger jet as you enter the door. Jose's
answer is more likely correct. But in any case I'd rather take a chance on
that than knowing the terrorist controls the p lane and we will all be blown
to bits against his target, or shot down by a fighter. No other options,
old chap, unless some of the passengers are armed. There, I prefer air
marshals or myself.

I am surprised so many people cannot see that.

They are so concerned about the unlikely possibility that a stray bullet might
hit them, or something critical, in a shootout with a terrorist, but they are
oblivious to the fact that if that shootout does not take place and the
terrorist succeeds, their death, and many others, are certain.

They give firearms magical powers not supported by reason.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG