Sims

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and
flying a simulated airplane simply are not that important,


You don;t fly a sim, fjukkwit.


Bertie

Dallas wrote in
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:17:38 -0500, LWG wrote:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX

It important to not hate PC flight simulators just because of MX.

We can argue over their value as training tools, but I bet most would
agree that as entertainment, they can be a hell of a lot of fun.



Oh yeah. You can fly under bridges inverted, al that stuff, but their value
in this situation is severely limited.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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LWG writes:

Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one
of the more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the
family room, in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument
ticket. Ove the years I have collected the CH yoke and footpedals.
I have downloaded a flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I
was looking out the window at the snow falling, and I set the sim to
real world weather. Damn if the screen didn't look exactly like the
weather outside, and I was once again looking at my panel. The ATC
simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the "runway." I
got vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under the
hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a
nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. If you'd like to enjoy simming
even more, consider:

1. Getting an add-on payware aircraft that matches whatever you enjoy
flying in real life (or whatever you'd like to fly in real life).
Companies like Dreamfleet, PMDG, and Level-D offer hyperrealistic
simulations of a great many large and small aircraft that are so
accurate that it's almost like flying a brand-new (and superior)
simulator.

2. Use ActiveSky for weather. The simulations are so accurate that
it's hard to distinguish them from real life.



You wouldn;'t know real life if it blew you.



Bertie

"LWG" wrote in
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Lots of posters here have fun bashing MX, but I have to say that one
of the more enjoyable experiences I've had lately was sitting in the
family room, in front of the PC. I am working on my instrument ticket.
Ove the years I have collected the CH yoke and footpedals. I have
downloaded a flight model and graphics for my Sundowner. I was
looking out the window at the snow falling, and I set the sim to real
world weather. Damn if the screen didn't look exactly like the
weather outside, and I was once again looking at my panel. The ATC
simulation wasn't bad either, and off I went down the "runway." I got
vectored around pretty much the same as when I fly under the hood. I
thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for about a nickel's
worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot needed.




Yes, there is an instructor needed or you;re not learning anything.

It's value as a tool is limited to two facets only, procedural and maybe a
bit of scan exercise. On the con side, the handling habits you may develop
using even the best sim will not stand to you when you fly the airplane.



Bertie

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:00:22 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Kyle Boatright writes:

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

For some people, the differences between flying a real airplane and flying a
simulated airplane simply are not that important, which is why they enjoy
simming. Even for people who prefer flying a real airplane, simulation is
close enough to the real thing and so incredibly inexpensive that it doesn't
make sense to refuse to try it.

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


In just online sim flying alone I have around 900 hours of time in the air,
for less cost than a single hour in a tiny tin can airplane would cost in real
life (and disregarding the huge cost of just getting a license for a
real-world aircraft).

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

Ron Kelley

But you must keep in mind that you can sim as a substitate for flying a real
plane, or you can sim as a replacement for flying a real plane, depending on
what part of flying you enjoy.

I've done both. Simming is not as fun for me, period. Especially if
you enjoy more than just straight and level flight. Simming will never
be as good for me.

All I think about right now is: how can I do this more often.

I don't care if it's expensive -- I'll do what I need to do. Share an
aircraft with others, build one, WHATEVER it takes.

I flew the other night and the complete serenity of the flight itself
was unsurpassed. I'd had a tough week at work -- but everything was
gone up there in the black. I went where I wanted. Even ATC shutup
when I got far enough out from class C.

Until you actually fly a plane you have nothing worthwhile to say
about comparing them.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

writes:

Until you actually fly a plane you have nothing worthwhile to say
about comparing them.

Until you're actually killed in an accident, you know nothing about how to
avoid them.

The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Purely a matter of opinion.

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.

news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in your
favor.