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  #21  
Old December 14th 07, 12:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
news.verizon.net[_2_]
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No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no
grounds
to make a judgment since you will not do both where as several of these
posters have done both and refute your expresses opinion as being wrong.
Get over it, you just don't know what your talking about.


My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that
everyone
needs to learn and understand. Even a pilot with a billion hours of
experience is still expressing an opinion, not an established fact. The
distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as
facts
are often extremely poor decisions. And if you treat opinions as facts
you
make yourself vulnerable to manipulation, which will almost never be in
your
favor.


  #22  
Old December 14th 07, 01:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You have no
direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there for your judgment
is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time. Some learn the
easy way, and some learn the hard way.
  #23  
Old December 14th 07, 01:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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The sim is cool but it doesn't even come close.

Purely a matter of opinion.


Only if you haven't done it.

I love simming as much as anyone here (with the possible exception of
you), and have taken it to great lengths with our full-sized Kiwi
Flight Simulator. See it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm

That said, there is simply no comparison between the two experiences.
Flying the Kiwi is like watching a video of the sun rising -- pretty,
but nothing like being in the moment.

Which isn't to say that flying the sim isn't a valid, fun, educational
experience. With a rig like our Kiwi, it's possible to entertain
pilots (or oneself) for hours on end. I mean, where else can you
rocket through the Alps at Mach 1.4 for a nickel's worth of
electricity?

;-)
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
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  #24  
Old December 14th 07, 02:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.


No, your basis for a judgment is not. It would be like you saying which
tastes better Pepsi or Coke when you have never tried Coke.
  #25  
Old December 14th 07, 02:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote:

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.


No, your basis for a judgment is not. It would be like you saying which
tastes better Pepsi or Coke when you have never tried Coke.


Kinda like trying to explain green to someone blind from birth.

The only problem is he says that green is exactly like red, and if you
disagree, you must "explain exactly what is different about them".


  #26  
Old December 14th 07, 04:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.


So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?


What's it matter? You couldn't fly a chuck glider.


I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.


That is purely a matter of opinion.




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Old December 14th 07, 04:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

Your completely correct, it's a matter of opinion. But you have no
grounds to make a judgment since you will not do both where as
several of these posters have done both and refute your expresses
opinion as being wrong. Get over it, you just don't know what your
talking about.


My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts.



It's a fact, fjukktard.



Bertie
  #28  
Old December 14th 07, 04:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_19_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You
have no direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there
for your judgment is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time.



Wow, this has to be the stupidst thing anyone has ever said ever.


I'm genuinely impressed.


Bertie
  #30  
Old December 14th 07, 04:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

news.verizon.net writes:

No your basis for judgment is not as valid as anyone else's. You
have no direct knowledge of one of the points of comparison, there
for your judgment is without basis.


As I've said, learning that all opinions are equal takes time.



Wow, this has to be the stupidst thing anyone has ever said ever.


I'm genuinely impressed.


Stupider than "Flying has nothing to do with being in the air" ?



 




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