Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

On Jan 15, 5:02*pm, John Smith wrote:
Shirl wrote:
Witness said they held the nose up and that it looked like a normal
landing only on water instead of a runway.

Surprise!

Who knew, Airbuses float...JG

On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/
surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it
would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

On 16 Jan, 05:37, John wrote:
On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked
a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/
surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it
would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

Hmmm. That article does not mention the word "bird"; and yet
they do happen. There was a similar double engin failure
in Italy only a few months ago. Similar but less wet outcome.
I am also aware of a single engine failure of a commercial jet
in the uk in the last few years. Video on internet.

So, that article does not seem to be identifying bird strikes
as a cause even though they happen.

John wrote:


Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/
surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it
would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

That's strange, every recurrent we have at lest one or two occurrences
of compressor stall/surge, after v1/rotation.
You should talk to your instructors, it is something to be experienced,
quite wild.

John writes:

And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation?

Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where
do you get this information?

On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines
don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans.

On Jan 16, 1:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
John writes:
And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation?

As usual, you divert the discussion AWAY from the false information
you posted. Can you admit you were wrong?

On Jan 16, 4:15*am, Ricky wrote:
On Jan 16, 1:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

John writes:
And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.

What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation?

As usual, you divert the discussion AWAY from the false information
you posted. Can you admit you were wrong?

It's useful to think of Anthony as an insect strike on a windshield
rather than a bird strike on a turbine.

On Jan 15, 4:45*pm, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
"Shirl" wrote in message

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Kingfish wrote:
CNN is reporting all 135 on board got off the plane (and didn't get
wet!) Apparently a flock of geese got in the way soon after takeoff,
and both engines sucked in birds. Damn the luck...

Depends how you choose to view it. I'd say their luck was pretty damn
good!

Unless you're a goose than this was an atrocity.

There were no geese harmed. There was no atrocity. It's all a
fabrication of the goose controlled government media, the mouthpiece
of the Tri-goose Commission.

Ricky wrote:
Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where
do you get this information?

On Jan 15, 3:12Â*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Â*Jet engines
don't often
fail all on their own.

Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa...

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans.

Let me make a guess...

He once read an article on the Internet about engine failures within
some contraints and then, since things like context are alien to him,
applied that to all engines on all airplanes in all circumstances.


--
Jim Pennino

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