Q: Buddy store internal fuel?

I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.

TIA,

Guy

"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.

TIA,

Guy

The Douglas D-704 has internal fuel storage- I don't recall the capacity.
What I do recall is how much of a b*tch it is to change the internal
components (such as a float switch).

"MikeR" wrote in
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"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.

TIA,

Guy

The Douglas D-704 has internal fuel storage- I don't recall the
capacity. What I do recall is how much of a b*tch it is to change the
internal components (such as a float switch).

Can't find any good data on the D-704, but the newer Sargent Fletchers
hold 300 gallons of internal fuel.

Dave in San Diego

Here is the link to the current one's producer web page:
http://www.sargentfletcher.com/ars_charact.htm

If you type "buddy refueling store" to search this ng, you can find
another quite a lovely thread about that.

Dave is right: 300 gallons. It sounds great, bearing in mind the fact
that a standard F/A-18C external fuel tank is ONLY 330 gallons.

Now, when F/A-18E/F carry four 480-gall. tanks plus one ARS, it is
called a "five-wet" configuration. Reportedly, they can transfer up to
12,000 lb of fuel, being better than Viking in speed and self-defence
capability, though (as all Hornets) still suffering from a short loiter
time.

Best regards,

Jacek Zemlo

In article ,
Guy Alcala writes:
I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.

Guy,
According to the Station Loading charts in my F-4J NATOPS, the D-704
has an Empty Weight of 733#, and a Full Weight of 2773#. Sounds like
there's a shade over 2,000# of fuel in it.
For JP-5 that would work out to 300 U.S. Gallons.

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

Peter Stickney wrote:
In article ,
Guy Alcala writes:

I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.


Guy,
According to the Station Loading charts in my F-4J NATOPS, the D-704
has an Empty Weight of 733#, and a Full Weight of 2773#. Sounds like
there's a shade over 2,000# of fuel in it.
For JP-5 that would work out to 300 U.S. Gallons.


Gotta add this since ya mentioned the F-4J...When in VF-151, we had one
bird with wing tanks and Fox 'have ya seen my moovie' Farrell strapped a
D-704 on the centerline and had one Phantom tank from another. Then did
a fly by on the Midway-maru.

It came to my mind after reading Lt Stone "A Bridge Too Far" article in
February "Proceedings" that it might be not felt as any special
nobilitation for a fighter pilot to fly tanker missions?

Attack or anti-sub flyers, who probably were more used to "making
history" than to "making movies", and performing support missions more
frequently, probably would not complain. But for a real fighter,
trained for CAP, escort and dogfight?

Though now everything becomes strike fighter communities, so it is
different to tell who is attack and who is fighter pilot;-)

Best regards,

Jacek Zemlo

Still about this article in "Procedings", because I am afraid my remark
was not what I really wanted to say:

The title "A Bridge Too Far" illustrated by a picture of VFA-94's
F/A-18C refueled by VFA-41's F/A-18F apparently suggests that adopting
Super Hornets to the tanker role was not a good idea...

What's more, in the text the author criticizes replacing a
10-million-dollar tanker (good, but weary S-3B) by a 70-million-dollar
one (brand-new F/A-18E/F). It really surprised me!

And where are these stories about "flying the wings off the planes"
when Vikings were utilized very intensively as tankers???

According to AFM, in OIF VFA-115, additionally charged with tanker
sorties (an S-3B squadron still aboard, too) averaged 30 sorties a day
when other squadrons averaged 20...

Best regards,

Jacek Zemlo

Peter's calculations are a reminder that it is the weight that counts, not
the gallonage. And more specifically, how many BTUs/pound you can get from
your fuel choice (more = better, usually). This is why the world has never
seen a commercially-viable coal-fueled aircraft, old Aeroflot jokes
notwithstanding.

ISTR that 2,000 lbs. of JP-5 was the correct capacity for either the D-704
or the Sargeant Fletcher but it's been many years now...

--
Mike Kanze

"One phrase that no Member of Congress should ever use lightly is 'political
hack.' The ironic possibilities are too rich."

- Wall Street Journal (3/7/05)




"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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In article ,
Guy Alcala writes:
I was just wondering if any buddy stores carried internal
fuel,or if all the internal space was taken up by the
drogue, hose and reel, pump, etc. I have conflicting
sources, so hopefully those here with personal experience
can give me the straight skinny. If you can mention the
particular model(s) you're familiar with (if you remember)
and its capacity (if any), that would help.

Guy,
According to the Station Loading charts in my F-4J NATOPS, the D-704
has an Empty Weight of 733#, and a Full Weight of 2773#. Sounds like
there's a shade over 2,000# of fuel in it.
For JP-5 that would work out to 300 U.S. Gallons.

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

You mentioned Aeroflot: Now I am living quite near to Warsaw Airport.
Getting used to the metalic and rattling sound of GE engines. But still
what makes me stand stil and look to the sky are the take-offs of these
noisy Russian Tu-154Ms, with this beautiful loud whistle and smoke
trail in the air;-)

Best regards,

Jacek Zemlo