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Mainly to protect thier dealers..
"Jay" wrote in message om... I have a Garmin product myself, and its a really a piece of kit, but my question is what are the reasons that make it advantagious for a company to set this type of pricing policy? (GaryP) wrote in message om... " jls" wrote in message . .. Well, I think you're correct: Garmin selling to retailers and requiring them to set minimum retail prices as a condition of selling to them is not a violation of the Sherman Act. It's not a violation either for us who consider the practice to be sleazy to shun Garmin like it is a skunk either. Absolutely! But if only a few of us shun Garmin it will have little or no effect on their policy. As I said earlier too bad UPS Technologies ceased to exist as an alternative to Garmin. Until a viable competitor comes along Garmin will continue to reap the profits of their success and mandate uniform minimum pricing from their dealers. GaryP |
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"B2431" wrote in message
... Chapman shot Lenin a few years ago. Well gosh Dan - couldn't you come up with an appropriate Lenin/Lennon quote? Rich "You don't bring me flowers, any more" S. |
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Date: 7/20/2004 7:20 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "B2431" wrote in message ... Chapman shot Lenin a few years ago. Well gosh Dan - couldn't you come up with an appropriate Lenin/Lennon quote? Rich "You don't bring me flowers, any more" S. What, and and expend energy? Geeze, you are a demanding cuss. "Religion is the opiate of the masses, wanna get stoned?" - Groucho Lenin, one of the Lenin sisters. Dan "I get my flours at the grocer's" U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Rich S." wrote in message ...
Well gosh Dan - couldn't you come up with an appropriate Lenin/Lennon quote? Rich "You don't bring me flowers, any more" S. Common Rich, they both believed in a socialist utopia, just like Babbs. Gary "Imagine all the people... P. |
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"GaryP" wrote in message
om... "Rich S." wrote in message ... Well gosh Dan - couldn't you come up with an appropriate Lenin/Lennon quote? Rich "You don't bring me flowers, any more" S. Common Rich, they both believed in a socialist utopia, just like Babbs. Gary "Imagine all the people... P. All I can say to you guys is - - - - O no. Rich S. |
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:52:56 -0700, "Rich S."
wrote: "GaryP" wrote in message . com... "Rich S." wrote in message ... Well gosh Dan - couldn't you come up with an appropriate Lenin/Lennon quote? Rich "You don't bring me flowers, any more" S. Common Rich, they both believed in a socialist utopia, just like Babbs. Gary "Imagine all the people... P. All I can say to you guys is - - - - O no. "Napoleon is standing with his pants upon the floor, there are naked painted people on the poster on my door John Lennon and his girlfriend couldn't show me any more Won't someone please arouse my purient interest? Won't you let me look myself, instead of waving it at me, Don't leave it hanging out and sagging, over everything I see Don't take of off, 'til I'm ready, let me have my little dream.... Have mercy on my poor old purient interest!" John Hartford, "The Purient Interest Blues" Ron "Sorry, John and Yoko reminded me of this" Wanttaja |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:47:47 GMT, "Bruce A. Frank"
wrote: Hmmm, if Garmin's prices are realistically so out of line then that will supply the stimulus for a competitor to bring a similar lower priced product to market. Certainly one has the right to discriminate when he either dislikes the company, the product they sell, the promotion methods they use, or the person who represents them. These days if you are a discriminating shopper better keep it quiet or someone will accuse you of censorship. ;^) I look at it a bit differently. I bought the Garmin 296 because of the terrain collision avoidance page and the flight instrument page. I have flown IMC with it on my dash many times already. If every instrument in the airplane fails in IMC you can fly the thing using the 296. In the helicopters it's particularly simple. Going into Burbank the other day I had a co pilot in an MD-500 watching all the actual flight instruments as I flew the approach using the 296. It worked flawlessly. I was able to trade my 295 in at Spruce and get a $700 rebate off the price of the 296. The 296 and it's terrain avoidance database, EFIS page and the standard navigational page are life saving. There is almost no question that any practicing IFR pilot needs this device. It's a matter of life or death in the right circumstances. So, it cost me a grand! I'd write a check for my entire net worth in a helicopter or an airplane in hard IFR conditions when the vacuum pump and alternator crapped out and I was spiraling into the farm. This is what the 296 is...a second chance. And with the lithium battery, it stays up for 12 hours or more now too. My 295 crapped out in 1.5 hours on the best AA batteries I could buy. So, I needed the aircraft electrics to run the damn thing through a cigarette lighter cord (depends on the same electrical system as all the rest of the crap in the panel). Fixing prices? Well, I think Garmin did a great job on it and keeping the price up does nothing but encourage other manufacturers to compete and build an equivalent or better mouse trap. The profit motive is amazing to R & D. What "keeping the price high" does is force the rest of the industry to compete, make better electronics and recover their investment when they do. I don't mind seeing Garmin recover their investment. But, there's something else going on here. They are forcing the retailers to sell it at a certain guaranteed margin. What this does is make retailers want to carry GARMIN products because they know they won't be undercut or that the profit margin on a Magellan is necessarily better. It makes a retailer want to advertise the product because they know that they can re coupe if they do. I veiw it as a method of keeping everybody honest and not undercutting the profit in the product. The product is not undermined to the point that no one wants to carry it because they can buy it so much cheaper on ebay. It's like pilot's salaries. Pilots have undercut each other to the point that some new commuter pilots work for something like $500 a month. Why?? Because if you don't take that job, somebody else will. It degrades the whole industry to the point where people are working for slavery wages. It undermines and undercuts the entire profession. I feel the same way about a product like the 296. I don't blame Garmin. Keep the price reasonable (remember that simple panel mounted GPS's cost $2500) The 296 at $1600 bucks is a steal. Keep it reasonable but guarantee each retailer that they won't be undercut by someone who is willing to sell out for less. That keeps the product price strong, it keeps the profit in it for all retailers who carry it, and it makes the competition work harder to beter their equipment to make the same profits. BWB |
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