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"Spiv" wrote in message ... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back on. The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed Constellations were running transatlantic services before either Comet or the 707. We are on about jets. Can't you focus for once? I suggest you learn precision in communication, you did not qualify your claim. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320 Can't you do anything right? http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first regular transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British innovation. But not non-stop, it had to stop in Newfoundland to refuel while the 707 made the journey non stop. I suggest you work on your reading skills. Keith |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message ... Spiv wrote: (snip) No, *this* is balls. April 8 1954 was the last of *three* Comet crashes through the same cause. October 19 1954 was the date of publication of the crash report giving metal fatigue as the cause. July 15, 1954 was the date of the 707 prototype's first flight. The prototype was not the finished article. Also British research on the Comet was ongoing from the first crash. All this went to the USA. The 707 was a better, safer plane than the Comet. End of story. IT was a larger plane Yes. B707 Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m) Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m) Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2) Comet Dimensions [m] Comet 1 Comet 1A Comet 2 Overall length 28.61 28.61 29.53 Wing span 34.98 34.98 34.98 Wing surface [m2] 188.3 188.3 188.3 Actually making it bigger with a thicker skin and oval windows were all (obviously) designed into the 707 *way* before the Comet crashes. with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back on. No. See actual dates from my previous post. The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. No. See Keith's post. I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958. Better plane? The Nimrod, which still fly's today, is a "Comet". Absolutely not. You are in fantasy land if you think the Comet was in any sense 'better' than the 707. It had a truly awful safety record. The crashes were put right. The Nimrod (a Comet) and the Comet have flow many miles and years and the Nimrod is still flying. The perpetuation of the Nimrod has been IMO a financial and military disaster for Britain. The Nimrod (a Comet) is a cost effective plane and very god at what it does. And, as Keith points out, military versions of the 707 are still pretty common, certainly more so than the Nimrod. Who else other than us flies the Nimrod? Who else other than UK and commonwealth carriers ever even flew the Comet? How many were built compared to the 707? etc etc... The USA did give tasters to many buyers. I quite like Jeremy Clarkson, but if watching the occasional bit of TV is the sum of your knowledge about aviation (as it appears), you should maybe go away and read up a bit more before posting here. I worked in aviation. No offence, but that isn't always obvious from the things you post. Then pay attention. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 20/01/2004 |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the zeppelin. The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and the Boeing 314. The topic is jet airliners. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 20/01/2004 |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... See my other post on this. I saw it. I was not impressed. Then pay attention. It wasn't, here is the final report. The research into the Comet was vital for many subsequent designs. The prime problems with the Comet was that they would not develop a more powerful engine because of costs. So they made the skin far too thin for light weight to suit an existing engine. The square windows didn't help at all. That's a report? The final one. It say so up there. If a more powerful engine (and thicker skin) and oval windows used in the initial design, it would have worked very well. But!!!! Many subsequent planes would have fallen out of the sky with the problems the Comet had in metal fatigue, etc. In hindsight the Comets research made all jet planes far safer, and saved many lives. How so? Boeing made those "changes" without the report on the Comet's problems. You didn't get the point. Please focus. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 20/01/2004 |
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"Spiv" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the zeppelin. The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and the Boeing 314. The topic is jet airliners. I thought the subject was, "Why We Lost The Vietnam War" |
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"Spiv" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... See my other post on this. I saw it. I was not impressed. Then pay attention. It wasn't, here is the final report. The research into the Comet was vital for many subsequent designs. The prime problems with the Comet was that they would not develop a more powerful engine because of costs. So they made the skin far too thin for light weight to suit an existing engine. The square windows didn't help at all. That's a report? The final one. It say so up there. If a more powerful engine (and thicker skin) and oval windows used in the initial design, it would have worked very well. But!!!! Many subsequent planes would have fallen out of the sky with the problems the Comet had in metal fatigue, etc. In hindsight the Comets research made all jet planes far safer, and saved many lives. How so? Boeing made those "changes" without the report on the Comet's problems. You didn't get the point. Please focus. Are you one of Traver's relatives? |
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Spiv" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message thlink.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the zeppelin. The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and the Boeing 314. The topic is jet airliners. I thought the subject was, "Why We Lost The Vietnam War" LOL! I would be *very* worried if I were you John. Someone has just made a claim on your position in this NG! John |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message ... Tarver Engineering wrote: "Spiv" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message thlink.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the zeppelin. The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and the Boeing 314. The topic is jet airliners. I thought the subject was, "Why We Lost The Vietnam War" LOL! I would be *very* worried if I were you John. Someone has just made a claim on your position in this NG! I am impressed that Spiv can read and comprehend, unlike Mullen and Willshaw. |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... Can't you do anything right? http://user.itl.net/~colonial/comet/history.html On the 4th October 1958 two B.O.A.C. Comet 4s inaugurated the first regular transatlantic jet passenger service - another first for British innovation. But not non-stop, it had to stop in Newfoundland to refuel Which side of the Atlantic is Newfoundland? --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 20/01/2004 |
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"John Mullen" wrote in message ... Tarver Engineering wrote: "Spiv" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message arthlink.net... "Spiv" wrote in message ... The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707. I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the zeppelin. The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and the Boeing 314. The topic is jet airliners. I thought the subject was, "Why We Lost The Vietnam War" LOL! I would be *very* worried if I were you John. Someone has just made a claim on your position in this NG! I am impressed that Spiv can read and comprehend, unlike Mullen and Willshaw. Now wait a minute... you wouldn't be doing a sock puppet on us here would you? John |
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