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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Jarg wrote:
"Matt Giwer" wrote in message ... Treaties are in fact the legal instruments that matter and they are recognized by the tribes which signed them. Do you really want to use treaties as the only basis for sovereignty? Because I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the planet it inhabited by people who took the land from other people without the benefit of any treaty. Besides which, most of the "treaties" between the U.S. and the aboriginal nations were imposed at gun point. It is unclear whether the signitories from the nations even spoke for their people. At times, U.S. officials would go "chief shopping" to find a compliant elder to sign away the ancestral land. What it was, was land theft simpliciter. Bob Kolker |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Robert Kolker wrote: Matt Giwer wrote: Jews knew that would be the case when they chose to take over Palestine. Why all the whining? I don't see whining. I see winning. You don't see Zionist whining? That's all they do. Holocaust Holocaust HOLOCAUST!!!!! They don't give a **** about anyone else, the constantly whining bigots. Millions of non-Jews died in the "Holocaust." Now all they do is whine about "terrorists" when they themselves are the biggest terrorists on Earth. You are obviously an Israel apologist, therefore hopeless as an intelligent and decent human being. It is the Palestineans and their sympathizers who whine and blubber About The Injustice of It All. Isreali IDF are not whining, they are dealing with their enemies. LOL, what a stupid **** you are. Zionists control your country ****. I don't know if you're a Zionist yourself or one of the ocean of brainwashed dumb ****s who watch WAY too much TV, either way, you don't flatter yourself by opening your yap. Whining is useless and irrelevent. The matter is in the Hands of God. We shall see what His Justice decrees. Be patient. Then end will be sooner or later. Whoever wins, is clearly God's favorite or darling. Okay, by this criteria, Zionists lose. They very much appear to have been cursed by God for a very long time. Any more brilliance from you? ----- Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1, Israel's favor. Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1. --------- http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html ---------- "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001 -- Cliff |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:31:41 -0500, Robert Kolker wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote: You've got to be all kinds of stupid to be throwing rocks at people armed with guns. You've got to be just as stupid, if not more so, to allow your kid to be running around throwing rocks at people with guns. Or falling in with fanatics who convince your kid he will go to heaven and get ****ed by 72 virgins if he blows himself and his victims to kingdom come. I just don't see what's so attractive about 72 virgins in the first place, that would be way too much work on my part. I'd rather have just 2 experienced and enthusiastic bed partners. |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:33:30 -0500, Robert Kolker wrote:
I would challenge you to devise a scenario for a nation that contains an aresenal of viable tacitical nuclear missles to be destroyed. Especially one that has can deploy these missles in subs or in secure silos. There is no such things as a "secure" silo. Modern military maxim: What can be seen can be destroyed. This is just as true about nuclear war as any other type of modern combat. No viable system has ever been deployed to stop an inbound nuclear missle with 100% accuracy and no stratedgy could made could hope to take out all of an exisisting nuclear power's missles, silos, and submarine based weapons. Depends on how many they have. And "destroyed" doesn't mean that all the opposing nukes are neutralized. A US first strike on say, North Korea, could put 90% of the entire nation under 10 psi overpressure. For all intents and purposes, North Korea would be destroyed, even if a few thousand people managed to survive the attack they would hardly be a "nation" anymore. The fact that they could potentially fire a few nukes back at us hardly negates the fact that the nation of North Korea would only exist as a memory. |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
In article , jull43
@tampabay.REMover.rr.com mumbled Palestinians, without any treaties, have been trying to get their property back non-stop since 1948. Maybe they shouldn't have run away when thier Syrian and Egyptian brothers attacked Isreal ? |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
In article , jull43
@tampabay.REMover.rr.com mumbled You keep calling them terrorists when they have every right to kill Israelis and destoy military assets. They have a lawful resistance movement. The irony is the Palastinians would just as soon slit Mr Giwer's throat given half a chance.. |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote: Jews knew that would be the case when they chose to take over Palestine. Why all the whining? I don't see whining. You hear whining, you read whining. You don't see whining. You read about the enemies on all sides when they chose to live with enemies on all sides. You read whining about being attacked by suicide bombers when they deliberately chose to attacked by suicide bombers. I see winning. It is the Palestineans and their sympathizers who whine and blubber About The Injustice of It All. They are the innocent party. Zionists are now and forever the guilty party. That is a fact. Isreali IDF are not whining, they are dealing with their enemies. Enemies they deliberately chose to have. Whining is useless and irrelevent. The matter is in the Hands of God. Now you claim to be a believer. We shall see what His Justice decrees. Be patient. Then end will be sooner or later. Whoever wins, is clearly God's favorite or darling. It has gotten worse for Zionists every year from the beginning. God has a trend in motion. -- Bush is so stupid he insists we will have victory in Iraq but the idiot has no idea what victory means else he would have said what it is. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3656 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Zionism http://www.giwersworld.org/disinfo/disinfo.phtml a4 |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Jarg wrote:
"Matt Giwer" wrote in message ... Jarg wrote: "Robert Kolker" wrote in message om... Matt Giwer wrote: Does a nation of war criminals have a right to survive? If they have the might. The U.S. became a great nation by practicing genocide on the aboriginal nations. That is how The West Was Won. Dead Injuns. I think the Israelis should give it all back the day after the U.S. returns the Great Plains to the descendants of the Indians whom our predecessors killed to get the land. When do you think that will happen? Good point. Pretty much every country that exists today was created at someone elses expense, often displacing groups that had previously displaced other groups, and on and on... In addition to my response to him please tell me how this is a good response? Even if the US had no treaties with the Indians how does the comparison to Wounded Knee make Israel look good? These days we cheer for the Indians at Little Big Horn. Why do you think he invites cheering the Palestinians because they are being treated like the Indians? Maybe you cheer for the Indians, I just see the inevitable results of a conflict between people's of vastly different resources and technology. Israel's existence is a fact which will not change no matter how much the Palestinians wish otherwise. The sooner they stop their deluded dreaming, the sooner the situation can be resolved. You do not think in terms of reality. Without US charity Israel would be an economic basket case and people would be leaving in droves. Without US diplomatic support an economic embargo would have been slapped in Israel decades ago. Shut off it oil and the lights go out in a week just as in Gaza so they get no sympathy over living in the dark. All it takes is for the US to stop acting against its own interests and stop supporting Israel. When that happens the country is over. With US charity runing 10-30% of the Knesset budget each year (some times higher) and all the tax breaks in its favor it manages and enconomy equal to the lowest in Europe -- exclusive of the Balkans at the moment. Who is going to stay with a third world economy when most European countries permit the grandchildren of emigrants to return no questions asked? The way to avoid this is to put the military on a shoestring budget to make up the difference. It can't have both. And without the military technology they steal from the US they quickly fall behind the curve and no one wants to buy what they make. Without US diplomatic cover Israel will finally have to make peace with its neighbors. For one that means they have to abandon the Syrian Heights for peace with Syria. That means it has to buy 20% of its water from Syria if Syria chooses to sell it. It has to make peace with the Palestinians and withdraw to its 1948 borders. That means it has to buy another 30% of its water from them if they choose to sell it. Don't get upset though. If they do not buy any water they will have several times more per capita than the Palestinians have now. This gives you the flavor of it. I can add other things but that is enough for now. -- No democracy has the right to keep secret facts which could materially affect any election. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3646 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml http://www.giwersworld.org |
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Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:
Jarg wrote:
"Matt Giwer" wrote in message ... Treaties are in fact the legal instruments that matter and they are recognized by the tribes which signed them. Do you really want to use treaties as the only basis for sovereignty? We were not discussing sovereignty. We were discussing ownership. They are not the same things. Only _federal lands_ are owned by the federal government. Because I would be willing to bet a significant portion of the planet it inhabited by people who took the land from other people without the benefit of any treaty. Nor are we talking any history prior to 1945 where the first international agreements were signed to prohibit acquisition by conquest and the signatories of them, such as members of the UN, swore they would not do so. -- Whenever you read of Bush talking about withdrawing troops from Iraq you can be certain the next day will have a report of sending additional troops. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3658 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml commentary http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/running.phtml a5 |
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