Runway ID

The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral, as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?

AIM 4-2-10 "Directions:
....
Examples
1. (Magnetic course) 005 .....zero zero five
2. (True course) 050.............zero five zero true
....."

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero.

The discussion of name versus direction reminds me of the discussion by the
Mad Hatter in Through the Looking Glass. It was used in a computer class to
exemplify the difference between something and its name.

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
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The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral, as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?

"The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero."

No...

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".



"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
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AIM 4-2-10 "Directions:
...
Examples
1. (Magnetic course) 005 .....zero zero five
2. (True course) 050.............zero five zero true
...."

The magnetic heading of Runway 5 is zero five zero.

The discussion of name versus direction reminds me of the discussion by
the
Mad Hatter in Through the Looking Glass. It was used in a computer class
to
exemplify the difference between something and its name.

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..

The original poster got it right with his use of the phrase "Runway ID",
because it is, in fact, an ID based on a number, as opposed to some type
of
number.

What is the magnetic heading of Runway 5?

If someone is named "Fred", do you refer to them as "Zero Fred"?

The point is, we are dealing with a "name" which consists of a numeral,
as
opposed to an actual number.

The runway is NAMED Runway 5. Why would you prepend a zero to a NAME?

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but
as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".

If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

--Gary

Good point...

I was dealing with "runway numbers" while communicating, where it probably
is best to think of them as a "name".

But, as you point out, one would want to think of it as a number while
aviating...




"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport
information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has
a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but
as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".

If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

--Gary

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number,
but
as a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".

If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

Good point...

I was dealing with "runway numbers" while communicating, where it probably
is best to think of them as a "name".

But, as you point out, one would want to think of it as a number while
aviating...

But if you're going to think of runway numbers as names while communicating
but as numbers while aviating, then why not make the same distinction for
the numbers that designate headings, altitudes, airspeeds, etc.?

There are some numbers in aviation that are really just names (airway
designations, aircraft model designations, tail numbers, etc.). But runway
numbers are really numbers.

--Gary

Seems most appropiate to simply use the name painted on the end of the
runway.

I always love it when they have to rename/repaint the runway because the
magnetic heading for the runway changed.. and to the non-informed... no..
the earth did not move to change the runway..

I'm betting some ol'timers out there remember when the leading zero was
painted on... 05
so it was Runway zero five

BT

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
The magnetic heading of Runway 5 can be any heading between 046 and 054.

From the Pilot/Controller Glossary: RUNWAY - ...Runways are normally
numbered in relation to their magnetic direction rounded off to the
nearest
10 degrees...

Go to http://www.airnav.com/ and examine some of their airport
information
sheets.

For example at KIGQ, with a magnetic variation of 02W (1995), RWY 18 has
a
heading of: 182 magnetic, 180 true.

So, it really is best to think of a "runway number" not as a number, but
as
a name composed of numeric characters 0-9 plus "L", "R", "C".

If you don't think of the runway number as a number (corresponding to an
approximate heading), then how do you form an expectation about which
direction to fly to enter, say, a downwind leg for a particular runway?

--Gary

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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I always love it when they have to rename/repaint the runway because the
magnetic heading for the runway changed.. and to the non-informed... no..
the earth did not move to change the runway..

Only in the case of Mayor Daley.

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:PBg4f.10452$MN6.7877@fed1read04...

I'm betting some ol'timers out there remember when the leading zero was
painted on... 05
so it was Runway zero five


The real ol' timers remember when runways were numbered sequentially
clockwise from north.