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Pazmany PL4
Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ?
Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)"
wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ IIRC, they were more difficult to build than other homebuilts of that era. In addition, single-seaters generally are generally not as popular. Ron Wanttaja |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)"
wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John |
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"Big John" wrote in message
... On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)" wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John Were those PL2s? I have seen one PL2 in operation, and it would have been a good plane for the job. IIRC, before VanGrunsven revolutionized amateur metal airplane building, the popular wisdom was that anyone who built a metal airplane really built 2--1 in wood and then 1 in metal. While not litterally true, the process of building formers had to be remarkably tedious; so production tooling would have been a really dramatic improvement and 50 airplanes were probably much less than 10 times as much work as 1. Peter |
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On Feb 24, 2:47*pm, Big John wrote:
...A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them... Note that those were actually PL1s, not PL4s. Actually, they were a modification of the PL1, with a widened fuselage. They're generally referred to as PL1B. A few of them have turned up in private hands. Thanks, Bob K. |
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On Feb 24, 5:47*pm, Big John wrote:
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)" wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John Interesting that many countries are choosing to build and use kitplanes for their primery trainers. I think I read elsewhere that the Iraqi Air Force is using several different types of kitplanes, AeroComp, Inc.s Comp Air 7SL being one of them, although not as a trainer. http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123019902 Wil Wil |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:47:23 -0500, "Peter Dohm"
wrote: "Big John" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)" wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John Were those PL2s? I have seen one PL2 in operation, and it would have been a good plane for the job. IIRC, before VanGrunsven revolutionized amateur metal airplane building, the popular wisdom was that anyone who built a metal airplane really built 2--1 in wood and then 1 in metal. While not litterally true, the process of building formers had to be remarkably tedious; so production tooling would have been a really dramatic improvement and 50 airplanes were probably much less than 10 times as much work as 1. Peter ********************************** Peter Knew the ones they built were two place (had to be as a primary trainer ) just didn't remember the model number given to them. Think EAA had an article many years ago in Sport Avn about that bird he built and brought back to US. Google shows them as PL-1B's. Data also shows that some of them flew 10,000 hours as trainers so pretty tough birds. No idea who owns that bird now. Seem to recall that the AF Pilot who brought back died at a fairly early age (not in an aircraft accident) as I remember. Big John |
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"Big John" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:47:23 -0500, "Peter Dohm" wrote: "Big John" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)" wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John Were those PL2s? I have seen one PL2 in operation, and it would have been a good plane for the job. IIRC, before VanGrunsven revolutionized amateur metal airplane building, the popular wisdom was that anyone who built a metal airplane really built 2--1 in wood and then 1 in metal. While not litterally true, the process of building formers had to be remarkably tedious; so production tooling would have been a really dramatic improvement and 50 airplanes were probably much less than 10 times as much work as 1. Peter ********************************** Peter Knew the ones they built were two place (had to be as a primary trainer ) just didn't remember the model number given to them. Think EAA had an article many years ago in Sport Avn about that bird he built and brought back to US. Google shows them as PL-1B's. Data also shows that some of them flew 10,000 hours as trainers so pretty tough birds. No idea who owns that bird now. Seem to recall that the AF Pilot who brought back died at a fairly early age (not in an aircraft accident) as I remember. Big John John, Just after I posted, I saw Bob K's post and did a Google search as well--and of course I found the same thing. I am still not sure what the differences are between the PL1B and the PL2. I suppose that it is even possible that the PL1B served as partial motivation for the PL2--especially as there have been a few other O-320 powered PL1's built. BTW, to the best of my personal recollection, I was unaware of the PL1 until this evening. Peter |
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On Feb 25, 12:25*am, William Hung wrote:
On Feb 24, 5:47*pm, Big John wrote: On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:17:45 -0800 (PST), "(Keith Sowter)" wrote: Why were there not many Pazmany PL4's built ? Here's one I saw Fly back in 1982 at Red Deer Alberta http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1019962/ Keith errata A USAF Advisor to the Tiawan Air Force suggested they build a Pazmany as a primary trainer for the Tiawan Air Force. They built over 50 of them and assisted the Air Force Advisor in building one for him on their production line using their tooling which he shipped back to States. Big John Interesting that many countries are choosing to build and use kitplanes for their primery trainers. *I think I read elsewhere that the Iraqi Air Force is using several different types of kitplanes, AeroComp, Inc.s Comp Air 7SL being one of them, although not as a trainer. *http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123019902 Wil Wil- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Nigerian Airforce has RV6's. |
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"JohnO" wrote . . .
The Nigerian Airforce has RV6's. France had some Emeraudes, but they were the certified European production model. Does that mean that RV6's, Emeraudes, and any other of the ilk are qualified to park on the Warbird line? That'd be kinda neat! Those big iron drivers always seem to get good parking and "crew members" with great looking tushes. ) Rich S. |
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