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DUMB ROOKIE QUESTION
OK...just getting starting in all of this...bought
my first ship and now looking to update the panel...so heres the question...with the use of PDA driven Glide Computers, moving maps and recently OLC approval on the GPS logging...why would someone still spend $2K + on a GPS Logger? I mean with the computing power of a PDA coupled to a GPS or GPS card and the software from SeeYouMobile and others...why would you carry a GPS logger? |
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Well, one reason would be to count flights toward badges or records.
But a basic logger doesn't have to cost anywhere near that. Paul Remde has the Colibri for $945, the Volkslogger for $995, and the new EW for $765. Ed Travis Beach wrote: OK...just getting starting in all of this...bought my first ship and now looking to update the panel...so heres the question...with the use of PDA driven Glide Computers, moving maps and recently OLC approval on the GPS logging...why would someone still spend $2K + on a GPS Logger? I mean with the computing power of a PDA coupled to a GPS or GPS card and the software from SeeYouMobile and others...why would you carry a GPS logger? |
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Travis Beach wrote: OK...just getting starting in all of this...bought my first ship and now looking to update the panel...so heres the question...with the use of PDA driven Glide Computers, moving maps and recently OLC approval on the GPS logging...why would someone still spend $2K + on a GPS Logger? I mean with the computing power of a PDA coupled to a GPS or GPS card and the software from SeeYouMobile and others...why would you carry a GPS logger? GPS cards attached to a PDA are not legally accepted for US contests. Many scorers take them anyway, and don't ask where igc files come from, but you can't be sure of that. You don't need a certified logger, but you do need something that internally produces a trace with altitude info, not just the igc file produced in the PDA by seeyou mobile, GNII or similar. You can also bug the rules committee to change this, at least for regionals, as I do annually. John Cochrane BB |
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BB wrote:
GPS cards attached to a PDA are not legally accepted for US contests. Many scorers take them anyway, and don't ask where igc files come from, but you can't be sure of that. You don't need a certified logger, but you do need something that internally produces a trace with altitude info, not just the igc file produced in the PDA by seeyou mobile, GNII or similar. You can also bug the rules committee to change this, at least for regionals, as I do annually. That's a great idea! Since I write my own navigation and IGC file flight recording software, I'll be able to get that extra 5% of performance I need to win on a consistent basis, without buying a new glider 8^) Seriously, though, there are numerous off-the-shelf consumer GPS units with recording capability, that meet both the letter and spirit of US regional and national contest rules, and there are some that cost well under $150 new. Hopefully, within a few years the IGC will also allow their use to document Silver and Gold badges... Marc |
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Marc Ramsey wrote: That's a great idea! Since I write my own navigation and IGC file flight recording software, I'll be able to get that extra 5% of performance I need to win on a consistent basis, without buying a new glider 8^) Seriously, though, there are numerous off-the-shelf consumer GPS units with recording capability, that meet both the letter and spirit of US regional and national contest rules, and there are some that cost well under $150 new. Hopefully, within a few years the IGC will also allow their use to document Silver and Gold badges... Marc P3 convinced me offine, that though making your speed look better is not a real-world problem, using a text editor to change one or two fixes to elminate a misstep into class C, start gate height, a fix at 17,501, a missed turnpoint, etc. really is real-world issue. So let's spend the $150 and stick with the Garmin as minimal equipment John Cochrane BB |
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why would you carry a GPS logger?
A.) Badge flying...which still can be done with camera and barograph? B.) To join the 5-10% of pilots who fly contests. C.) OLC.... Cameras and barograph have been all but replaced by loggers, for recreational type flying...a logger is an expensive extra. Because of the nature of our sport, some pilots will attempt to cheat if given the chance...hence secure data loggers. Now if someone wants so desperately to get a Silver Badge that they would cheat, I say give it to them. |
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Stewart Kissel wrote:
why would you carry a GPS logger? A.) Badge flying...which still can be done with camera and barograph? B.) To join the 5-10% of pilots who fly contests. C.) OLC.... Cameras and barograph have been all but replaced by loggers, for recreational type flying...a logger is an expensive extra. Because of the nature of our sport, some pilots will attempt to cheat if given the chance...hence secure data loggers. Now if someone wants so desperately to get a Silver Badge that they would cheat, I say give it to them. Probably harder to fix the data than fly Silver in a Lingus 2bL8 Shawn |
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"Stewart Kissel" wrote in message ... why would you carry a GPS logger? A.) Badge flying...which still can be done with camera and barograph? Yes download that and reply your flight! B.) To join the 5-10% of pilots who fly contests. Why not who likes flying circuits C.) OLC.... Cameras and barograph have been all but replaced by loggers, for recreational type flying...a logger is an expensive extra. Because of the nature of our sport, some pilots will attempt to cheat if given the chance...hence secure data loggers. Now if someone wants so desperately to get a Silver Badge that they would cheat, I say give it to them. |
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Stewart Kissel wrote:
Because of the nature of our sport, some pilots will attempt to cheat if given the chance...hence secure data loggers. Now if someone wants so desperately to get a Silver Badge that they would cheat, I say give it to them. I'd rather not have them round any place I'm flying, thank you very much. Would you really trust anybody who would cheat on a badge to help with anything, e.g., doing positives, checking all clear above and behind, keeping the log? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
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