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In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: The presidential debates will certainly be interesting. Let's get Bush and Kerry mano-y-mano discussing both their roles in service to country...w/o advisors and partisan-financed groups trying to control the message and w/o advisors and staff speaking for them. Right. Anything to avoid discussing Kerry's record since he left the Navy. That will be there as well. And that record will not include the loss of 2+ million jobs; starting a war based on lies; ignoring large chunks of his own country; and generally being unfit to lead a Boyscout pack...much less the country. --Mike |
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"Michael Wise" wrote in message ... That will be there as well. Not if the Democrats can help it. And that record will not include the loss of 2+ million jobs; starting a war based on lies; ignoring large chunks of his own country; and generally being unfit to lead a Boyscout pack...much less the country. Well, of course it won't, as that has not happened. |
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"BOB" wrote in message ... You mean that's what you goose-stepping, neocon wingnut Bush bootlickers and lapdogs consider consider "liberal" to mean. No, that's the way it is. Not the real world. It appears you're out of touch with the real world. |
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In article k.net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: That will be there as well. Not if the Democrats can help it. Your imagination does not translate into reality. The Democrats have know reason not to focus on record. We shall see soon enough. And that record will not include the loss of 2+ million jobs; starting a war based on lies; ignoring large chunks of his own country; and generally being unfit to lead a Boyscout pack...much less the country. Well, of course it won't, as that has not happened. Really? It most certainly has and continues to happen. Q. When did Bush become president? A. January 2001 Q. When did Bush first set foot in NYC after becoming president? A. a few days after 9/11 Bush visited a lot of places (all of which coincidentally supported him) during his campaign and after his entry into office...but yet couldn't find the time to visit the largest city and the financial capitol of this country (NYC) until after it was attacked. Then you couldn't stop him from mugging for the camera with his arms around a firefighter. WTF was Bush in NYC prior to 9/11? A second bonus question.... Q. San Francisco is a fairly large urban city on the West Coast. In terms of population, it's not the largest, but it is the financial center as well as the most urban city on the West Coast. When was the last time Bush came to SF since becoming president? A. Never. The fact is the Bush regime has established a pattern since Day 1 of ignoring those who did not support them while showering all attention on those who did. Is that representing the entire country? Is that fulfilling of the job and moral responsibilities of the presidential office? --Mike |
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(BUFDRVR) writes:
The point is more whether the ads are lies. Everything I've seen on it says they are. Obviously "every where" you've looked for your "everything" doesn't include any unbiased sources. The swift vets claims have yet to be answered by Kerry, so determing truth or lies hasn't even been made yet. I do know that Kerry's lies about Cambodia have been exposed by the Swift vets so if anyone is turning out to be a liar, it appears to be Kerry. Just saw this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...l=chi-news-hed Feb. 28, 1969: ON THE DONG CUNG RIVER Anti-Kerry vets not there that day By William B. Rood Chicago Tribune Published August 21, 2004 There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago-three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969. One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other. For years, no one asked about those events. But now they are the focus of skirmishing in a presidential election with a group of swift boat veterans and others contending that Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star for what he did on that day, or the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for other actions. Many of us wanted to put it all behind us-the rivers, the ambushes, the killing. Ever since that time, I have refused all requests for interviews about Kerry's service-even those from reporters at the Chicago Tribune, where I work. But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown. The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us. It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there. ....... You can use bugmenot.com if you want to eschew registration. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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In article .net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "david raoul derbes" wrote in message ... There is nothing wrong with you, Mr. Galanti or whoever opposing Kerry, obviously, indeed it's a duty to do so if you don't like him as a candidate. The new ads are in my opinion more of a problem for Kerry, in that it is video of him testifying in Congress. No one disputes that he did so. Previously, there were disputes as to whether or not there was gunfire, and so on; here we have a videotaped record. That said, I want to make three points. First, the testimony of Kerry saying that atrocities were committed has been to a small extent taken out of context. He was quoting what _other_ people said. He did not say that he, Kerry, had witnessed decapitations or rapes or other war crimes, but that others had, and had told him that. Kerry did say that he had committed atrocities himself. "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others in that I shot in free fire zones, used harassment and interdiction fire, joined in search and destroy missions, and burned villages. All of these acts were established policies from the top down, and the men who ordered this are war criminals." John Kerry, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 1971 What you've posted is not completely contradictory to what I said. The sorts of things I was writing about (rapes, decapitations) and the sort of things you're talking about are, in my opinion, the differences between misdemeanors and felonies. I think that Kerry's calling these things "atrocities" was a weird way of trying not to smear his fellow soldiers, i.e., I'm just as guilty as you are. It was dumb, and he regrets some of the language that he used. My guess is that many, many soldiers of the last century fired randomly into places out of fear, anger or were ordered to do so. This is a very different thing from rape. David Derbes |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:11:14 GMT, BOB wrote in
alt.fan.art-bell in message : You plonk -- V.G. Change pobox dot alaska to gci. "I wanted a car I could run down pedestrians with. But one with a comfy ride, like a sofa on wheels." - Father Haskell "No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' 4/27/04 ) "Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system. They're guilty as charged. But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the 9-11 events." Alexa connects some totally different dots. 8/6/04 ) Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield. |
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Mike wrote:
No, he was aware of it when he was awarded it...it just didn't make sense to him. Really? And where do you get this conclusion from? From an ABC radio interview. He was asked about the citation claiming enemy fire and he stated he was surprised by that since there was no enemy fire. In an interview with the Washington Post this week, Mr. Thurlow stated he had received the award "for helping to rescue the boat that was mined." The issue isn't what the award was given for, but the circumstances involved. Enemy fire is not required to receive a Bronze Star. You and I have both served and am sure both have medals. Mine are nothing to write home to mom about, but I do know that when I was awarded them, I was verbally informed of why I was getting them Me too, however I was not forewarned of the citation text. The Republican Party made actions during the Vietnam war a related presidential election issue from 1991-2000 Close, they made it an issue in 1992. When that failed, they *did not* make any mention of Vietnam in '96. They did tout Dole's WWII record, but did not make it the center piece of the campaign. why is it now unrelated? I guess the same question could also be put the DNC. 12 years ago Kerry himself stated that Clinton's actions during the war were not relevent to the Presidential election and he chastized the Republican party for opening old wounds. What's changed since '92? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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