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Larry Fransson wrote:
On 2003-12-04 12:32:39 -0800, said: Along the same lines, if it's a 172R simulation, is it possible to log the time if one is not complex-rated? Don't confuse a 172R with an R172 (also referred to as a 172RG). Larry, Don't confuse a 172RG with an R172 (also referred to as a T-41 or Hawk XP). |
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"Gary L. Drescher" wrote in message
news:ve3Ab.437503$Fm2.435988@attbi_s04... "Robert Moore" wrote in message ... wrote 61.1b12: Pilot time means that time in which a person -- (i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember; (ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or (iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device. Uh-oh. Back to the scenario we were recently discussing: non-IR pilot flying in IMC with an actual non-instructor PIC by his side. The PF can log PIC time but it's not Pilot time. That would conform with the common argument (not mine) that the PNF isn't logging PIC because the PF isn't required under the regs. Even weirder question: if two non-instructors are flying VMC VFR, with the PF under the hood, which is required? Both? Neither? Only the safety pilot? I don't know how to answer that from the regs. My own logbook may need erasures in the second case. So whether you log dual sim time as part of total time depends on whether it's total pilot time (included) or total flight time (not included). For example, form 8710 (application for certificate or rating) asks for pilot time. I think many of us log total Hobbs time (I know there are arguments against it), which pretty much maps to the definition of pilot time. -- David Brooks |
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He can also log the 10 hours on the PCATD with an IGI present. The training
has to be part of an approved syllabus. PD "Jim" wrote in message ... Up to 10 hours on a PCATD with a CFII is loggable as simulated instrument/simulator time/instruction recieved as long as you are working toward your instrument rating. You must work with your CFII on the prescribed training requirements of the rateing, ie, you just can't play around on the PC with the CFII watching you try to crash it into buildings or try to fly inverted. This 10 hours is part of, not in addition to, the 20 hours total sim time that is loggable while working toward your instrument rating. PCATD time is not loggable towards recency or currency requirements. It must be an approved PCATD. did I miss anything? -- Jim Burns III Remove "nospam" to reply wrote in message ... Hello all... I was thinking of helping a research group at my school by volunteering in an experiment to test new ATC communication procedures. Supposedly, the equipment is an i-GATE desktop simulator (PC-ATD) that is set up as a Cessna 172R. My question is whether or not this time would be loggable. Anyone know of this equipment? Along the same lines, if it's a 172R simulation, is it possible to log the time if one is not complex-rated? Interesting thought. Thanks, -Cory -- ************************************************** *********************** * The prime directive of Linux: * * - learn what you don't know, * * - teach what you do. * * (Just my 20 USm$) * ************************************************** *********************** |
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