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Why nitrogen?
Peter Dohm wrote:
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maxie on a night out. - 1 attachment
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | .. . | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:_IDAk.13285$rV4.8533 | @newsfe03.iad: | | | | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619332 | | Path: | | news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds- | | media.com | | !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com! | | newsfe03.ia | | d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net | | Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting | | References: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Why | | nitrogen? Lines: 96 | | X-Priority: 3 | | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 | | Message-ID: | | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 | | X-Complaints-To: | | X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789626 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 | | 02:00:26 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:26 UTC | | Organization: Cox | | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:18 -0500 | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | .. . | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:ZjzAk.9127$PS3.3361 | @newsfe06.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Peter Dohm" wrote in news:csYzk.30661 | | | $kh2.3884 | | | @bignews3.bellsouth.net: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Peter Dohm" wrote in | | | : | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Viperdoc" wrote in | | | : | | | | | | | | | So, the O2 fueled an already existing fire or caused it? | | | | | | | | | I suspect that pumping the oxygen into the system somehow | | | started | | | the fi it probably is a new definition for the term | "hot | | | start" | | | | | | | | | Mm, nice. | | | | | | You heard about this? | | | | | | http://www.gadling.com/2007/12/16/quantas-maintenance- | fills- | | | oxygen- | | | tan | | | ks- with-nitrogen/ | | | | | | Sounds worse than it was, but still.... | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | It appears that they were lucky and the oxygen was'nt | needed; | | | but | | | it | | | does remind me of some of the speculation surrunding the | Paine | | | Stewart | | | case. Two hypotheses around my local airport were that 1) | the | | | tank | | | was inadvertantly filled with nitrogen or 2) that someone | | | misread | | | the | | | labeling on the regulator on/off handle--which is | | | counterintuitively | | | labeled with "on" or "off" and arrows pointing which | direction | | | to | | | turn | | | the knob for the desired result. I don't recall whether the | | | case | | | was | | | ever fully resolved; but a lot of pilots found a couple of | | | areas worthy of their maximum vigilance! | | | | | | Moe likely was they passed out before they even realised they | | | were | | | in | | | trouble on that one. More easily done than I'd certainly | expect. | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | That was also suggested, and could well be the real answer. | | | | | | | | | Doesn't really matter. It's done and the only thing that | matters | | | is | | | that | | | all the possibilities are looked at and equipment and training | are | | | geared towards avoiding a repetition of the accident. Easier | said | | | than | | | done. | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | | | | You're a cross posting dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Guess again fjukkktard. | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | | Guess again fjukkktard. | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | |
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Maxie's mom hits the road - 1 attachment
"Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in message ... | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | ... || "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : || || || "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || .. . || | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:LIDAk.13284$rV4.5522 || @newsfe03.iad: || | || | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619331 || | Path: || | news.glorb.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds- || | media.com || | !feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com! || | newsfe03.ia || | d.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net || | Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting || | References: || | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | gapjoe$ksn$1 || @aioe.org || | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | || | Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558 || @newsfe01.iad || | || | || | Subject: Why || | nitrogen? Lines: 109 || | X-Priority: 3 || | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal || | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 || | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 || | Message-ID: || | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 || | X-Complaints-To: || | X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789611 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 || | 02:00:11 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:11 UTC || | Organization: Cox || | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:03 -0500 || | || | || | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | .. . || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:BkzAk.9130$PS3.8242 || @newsfe06.iad: || | | || | | || | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | | .. . || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:Z0hAk.14223$Dj1.9558 || | | @newsfe01.iad: || | | || | | || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in message || | | ... || | | || | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | | .. . || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:fUgAk.14183$Dj1.8609 || | | @newsfe01.iad: || | | || | | || | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | | ... || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in || | | : || | | || | | || | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | | ... || | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in || | | : || | | || | | || | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message || | | ... || | | || | | Learn to read... || | | || | | || | | Bertie || | | || | | Why you can't. || | | || | | || | | || | | And you might learn to write. || | | || | | || | | || | | Bertie || | | || | | Why you can't. || | | || | | || | | Yeh. You really don't realise what you're saying here, do || | | you, illiterate boi? || | | || | | || | | || | | Bertie || | | || | | Why you don't? || | | || | | || | | And there it is again.. || | | || | | || | | Good thing there's usually a picture on the mens room door || or || | | you'd || | | be || | | peeing in the transformer room, eh? || | | || | | || | | Zaaaaaaapppp! || | | || | | || | | || | | Bertie || | | || | | || | | Why not you do. || | | || | | || | | And this my good friends, is how you keep a moron busy for 30 || | | minutes. || | | || | | || | | aww, give me some credit Maxine. It's been months now. || | | || | | || | | || | | || | | || | | || | | || | | bertie || | | || | | You're a cross posting dumb ass. || | | || | | || | | || | | || | | Oh no! You're wearing me down! || | | || | | Stoooooop! || | | || | | Bertie || | || | || | || | || | I'm sooooo tired! || | || | || | Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwha! || | || | || | Bertie || || || || || || | | |
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the birth of Maxine - 1 attachment
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | .. . | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:wIDAk.13283$rV4.3854 | @newsfe03.iad: | | | | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619330 | | Path: | | nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH! | | npeer0 | | 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed- | me.highwinds- | | me | | dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED! | 7564ea0f! | | not | | -for-mail From: "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net | | Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting | | References: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | gapjoe$ksn$1 | @aioe.org | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Why | | nitrogen? Lines: 52 | | X-Priority: 3 | | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 | | Message-ID: | | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 | | X-Complaints-To: | | X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789596 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 | | 01:59:56 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:56 UTC | | Organization: Cox | | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:59:49 -0500 | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | .. . | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:NkzAk.9131$PS3.2342 | @newsfe06.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:86hAk.14226$Dj1.12895 | | | @newsfe01.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | .. . | | | | | | Aww, and now you cuttin and pasting your replies.. | | | | | | | | | | | | Bwawahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahh wha! | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | Learn to read. | | | | | | | | | I know how. Read many many books. | | | | | | | | | | | | I didn't cut and paste anything. Just your head rattling | | | again. | | | | | | | | | | | | Yeh, OK illiterate boi. | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | You're a cross posting dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Snort! | | | | | | bertie | | | | | | | | | | Snort! | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | |
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Why maxine will just never get it.
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | ... | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:ONDAk.13289$rV4.9506 | @newsfe03.iad: | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | .. . | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:nkzAk.9129$PS3.3826 | @newsfe06.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:bBgAk.13838$Dj1.12866 | | | @newsfe01.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | John Godwin wrote in | | | news:Xns9B1BD7A3321FBAvSvcs@ 208.49.82.60: | | | | | | "Peter Dohm" wrote in | | | : | | | | | | In the case of light plane tires, I agree with you that | really | | | dry | | | air should work well enough to make the issue trivial. | But, | | if | | | you need nitrogen for any other reason, it is the cheapest | | thing | | | that I know of in an L bottle or larger and using it in the | | tires | | | may be essentially free--because you may have to pay rental | on | | | the | | | tanks if they are not refilled at a prescribed interval. | | | | | | My daughter is a Crew Chief on a C-130 Herc and said that | | Nitrogen | | | is used in the struts. | | | | | | | | | Your daughter smokes cigars? | | | | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | You're a dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nope. | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | You're a cross posting dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Please stop! You're hurting meeeeeee! | | | | | | | | | | | | Bwahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwh! | | | | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | awww, Maxine is trying some UPA! | | | | | | | | Lame UPA! | | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | Very lame. | | | | Bertie |
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Why nitrogen?
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | ... | | "Morgans" wrote in | | : | | | | | | "Allen" wrote | | | | I am sorry Jim, the O2 is for emergency use. The cabin is | | pressurized from engine bleed air. The O2 masks drop from the | | ceiling at 14K' cabin altitude just like the airliners. | | | | Yep, that's what I thought. | | | | Sorry you misunderstood me, and I misunderstood you. | | | | This went back to the possibility of oxy causing the Payne Stewart | | crash, when I replied it was not likely because that was believed | to | | be a primary pressurization problem. | | | | | | That isn't what you replied. | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | Aww, run out of drivel Maxie? | | | That's the disadvantage of having no imagination whatsoever. | | | | Bertie |
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Maxie goes to the bathroom - 1 attachment
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | .. . | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:s0EAk.13305$rV4.6925 | @newsfe03.iad: | | | | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619347 | | Path: | | nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.21.MISMATCH! | | npeer0 | | 3.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed- | me.highwinds- | | me | | dia.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED! | 7564ea0f! | | not | | -for-mail From: "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net | | Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting | | References: | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Why | | nitrogen? Lines: 13 | | X-Priority: 3 | | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 | | Message-ID: | | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 | | X-Complaints-To: | | X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221790872 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 | | 02:21:12 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:21:12 UTC | | Organization: Cox | | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:01 -0500 | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | .. . | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | I love the radical cross posts. Shows your lever of desperation. | | | | | | Actually, it just shows the level of enertainment you're providing. I | | don;t get desperate, maxine.... | | | | Calling all kooks, calling all kooks. I'm getting my ass kicked, I | | need back up! | | | | | | | | They'll come a runnin for you i'm sure Maxine. | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Maxie! That's disgusting! - 1 attachment
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | .. . | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:6HFAk.26045$QF5.19074 | @newsfe08.iad: | | | | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619353 | | Path: | | nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.1 85.11.MISMATCH! | | npeer0 | | 1.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed- | me.highwinds- | | me | | dia.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe08.iad.POSTED! | 7564ea0f! | | not | | -for-mail From: "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net | | Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting | | References: | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Why nitrogen? | | Lines: 14 | | X-Priority: 3 | | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 | | Message-ID: | | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 | | X-Complaints-To: | | X-Trace: newsfe08.iad 1221797698 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 | | 04:14:58 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:14:58 UTC | | Organization: Cox | | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:14:51 -0500 | | | | | | "Viperdoc" wrote in message | | ... | | | Mick: | | | | | | |
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Yep. - 1 attachment
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | .. . | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:kJDAk.13286$rV4.1278 | @newsfe03.iad: | | | | Xref: news rec.aviation.piloting:619333 | | Path: | | wns11feed!worldnet.att.net!63.218.45.11!nx02.iad01 .newshosting.com! | | news | | hosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.high winds-media.com! | | news. | | highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com! | post02.iad.highwinds- | | me | | dia.com!newsfe03.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Mick" | | @_#`~#@.^net Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting | | References: | | 8a4950eac1beb@uwe | | | | | | | | | | | | Subject: Why | | nitrogen? Lines: 279 | | X-Priority: 3 | | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal | | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 | | Message-ID: | | NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.13.227.40 | | X-Complaints-To: | | X-Trace: newsfe03.iad 1221789648 68.13.227.40 (Fri, 19 Sep 2008 | | 02:00:48 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:00:48 UTC | | Organization: Cox | | Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:00:41 -0500 | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | .. . | | | "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in news:PjzAk.9125$PS3.1317 | @newsfe06.iad: | | | | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Peter Dohm" wrote in news:csYzk.30660 | | | $kh2.574 | | | @bignews3.bellsouth.net: | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | | ... | | | "Peter Dohm" wrote in | | | : | | | | | | "JGalban via AviationKB.com" u32749@uwe wrote in message | | | news:8a4950eac1beb@uwe... | | | Peter Dohm wrote: | | | The only difference that would make nitrogen seen really | | | beneficial | | | to me would be in the case of an aircraft which is kept | | | hangared | | | and | | | seldom operated. Then, if the tire threads last a number | of | | | years, | | | and the tires are sheltered from UV radiation, the inert | | | nature | | | of | | | the nitrogen could be usefull. | | | | | | | | | In theory, perhaps. In practice, tires oxidize from the | | | outside | | | as | | | well | | | as | | | the inside. I've noticed that every time I've bought | | | expensive, long-life tires, they have to be chucked because | | | the sidewalls | | | are | | | rotting, even though | | | the tread is still good. It's not just air, but pollutants | | | (particularly in | | | the cities). Ozone, a common urban pollutant, is | particularly | | | bad | | | for tires. | | | | | | John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) | | | | | | Ordinarily, I would just let this slide; but since the | greenies | | | have | | | decided that CO2 (which is nature's means of recycling | oxygen) | | | and | | | O3 | | | (which is nature's cleanser of the atmosphere) are | "pollutants" | | | according to the strange reasoning of their adled brains, | | | | | | | | | | | | Here is an explanation for you. | | | | | | | | | If you find it too difficult to understand I'll have a look | | | around | | | for | | | the Litle Golden Book of Wonder version for you. | | | | | | | | | | | | | http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalcha...arming/03.html | | | | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | You are too kind! | | | | | | BTW, it did make a good case for the expansion of nuclear | power-- | | | which | | | I | | | have long favored. | | | | | | | | | No, it didn't. | | | | | | Maybe if I find something with pictures for you. | | | | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | You're a cross posting dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Shooting for another AUP violation fjukkkwit? | | | | | | Bertie'' | | | | | | | | Snort! | | | | | | Bertie | | | | | | |
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