Boosting ICOM IC-A23 Handheld Aviation Radio

writes:
Rod Madsen wrote:

All very true, but I think the original poster was referring to reception on
the ground (next to the airport or under the plane), not inside a cockpit.

Several years ago, I went to a ham radio shop and had them cut an roof mount
antenna for my ICOM 21. I believe I had them cut it for 128 MHz and 3/4 wave
length. I got awesome performance from my car. I could hear the ATIS and talk
with ground control five miles from the airport on the freeway. I could drive
along I-5 on the coast and talk with LA Center's RCO on Catalina Island.

Were you really "talking" to these stations? The 108-136 MHz
band(s) is(are) for /air/ mobile operations. Talking to LA
Center while driving on I5 would seem to be illegal.

Were you really "talking" to these stations? The 108-136 MHz
band(s) is(are) for /air/ mobile operations. Talking to LA
Center while driving on I5 would seem to be illegal.


What if you're jumping up and down, and only transmit when you're in the air?

Jose

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"Everett M. Greene" wrote:

writes:
Rod Madsen wrote:

All very true, but I think the original poster was referring to reception on
the ground (next to the airport or under the plane), not inside a cockpit.

Several years ago, I went to a ham radio shop and had them cut an roof mount
antenna for my ICOM 21. I believe I had them cut it for 128 MHz and 3/4 wave
length. I got awesome performance from my car. I could hear the ATIS and talk
with ground control five miles from the airport on the freeway. I could drive
along I-5 on the coast and talk with LA Center's RCO on Catalina Island.

Were you really "talking" to these stations? The 108-136 MHz
band(s) is(are) for /air/ mobile operations. Talking to LA
Center while driving on I5 would seem to be illegal.

Just enough to check it out. "Los Angeles Center, this is Piper 38 Charlie, radio
check on 124.75 please."

It was used primarily to listen to ATIS on the way to the airport, then once out of
the car, the rubber duckie antenna was placed on it and I contacted clearance
delivery with my little finger touching the wing of my airplane.

I discuss all of these nuances with an FCC friend one time and guess what, they
couldn't care less, so long as the transmissions do not interfere with air traffic
services. A radio check does not rise to that level.

Where are located when you are using this radio. I am 7 miles from the
airport and I can hear aircraft in the pattern, but cannot hear the tower or
ATIS. The problem is these frequencies are line of sight. If you have
buildings and such in between the antenna and the source, the reception will
be poor regardless of antenna.

jerry

"CHANGE USERNAME TO westes" wrote in
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I recently purchased an ICOM IC-A23 radio, and I'm disappointed in its
pickup. It gets the weather channels fine, but the reception for both
the
airport and airplane radios is poor. Aside from standing next to the
airport or being right under the airplane, do I have any options for
improving gain and the quality of reception? Is there some third party
antenna that I could attach to this radio? It looks like it takes a
standard BNC type connector for the antenna that comes with it.

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

How tall was that telescoping antenna?

Does anyone sell an off the shelf 5/8 wave telescoping antenna with a strong
magnetic base?

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

"EDR" wrote in message
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westes wrote:
If you are on the ground, outside the airplane, you can purchase a
metal, 5/8 wave, telescoping antenna to replace the standard rubber
duckie.

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westes wrote:

How tall was that telescoping antenna?

I do not remember how long it extends to.
IIRC, the formula is 468/f(MHz) gives the wavelength. Multiply by 5/8
to get the antenna length in feet. For 123.0 MHz (middle of the band),
the length is 28.5 inches.

Does anyone sell an off the shelf 5/8 wave telescoping antenna with a strong
magnetic base?

Just purchase a standard ham 2m mag mount antenna and cut a piece of
stainless steel rod that fits the mag mount to the above calculated
length.

I disagree with the method described below for calculating a 5/8 wavelenth antenna.
As I recall, the formula you have below gives you the length in feet of
a half wave length antenna (not the full wavelength as you suggest). So a 5/8 ths
wave antenna would be twice as long as you calculated. Also, if you took a 2 meter
5/8's wave antenna, you'd need to lengthen it (not cut it down) to use it as a 5/8 wave
antenna on 123 MHz.
You probably could take a 5/8 wave 2 meter ham antenna and cut it down to a 1/4 wavelength
antenna for use on 123 MHz. The length for that would be somewhere around 22.89 inches.
Max T, CFI (and ham radio operator)



EDR wrote in message ...
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westes wrote:

How tall was that telescoping antenna?

I do not remember how long it extends to.
IIRC, the formula is 468/f(MHz) gives the wavelength. Multiply by 5/8
to get the antenna length in feet. For 123.0 MHz (middle of the band),
the length is 28.5 inches.

Does anyone sell an off the shelf 5/8 wave telescoping antenna with a strong
magnetic base?

Just purchase a standard ham 2m mag mount antenna and cut a piece of
stainless steel rod that fits the mag mount to the above calculated
length.

You probably could take a 5/8 wave 2 meter ham antenna and cut it down to a 1/4
wavelength
antenna for use on 123 MHz.


There's more to it than that. The impedance has to match. For a 1/4 wave
antenna, all you need is 1/4 wave worth of metal. But for a 5/8 wave, you need
a coil at the bottom too, so that the antenna looks like 1/4 wave to the
transmitter, and works like a 5/8 wave to the ether. A ham band (or any other
band) 5/8 wave antenna will already have the appropriate coil, but if you
change the length significantly, the coil will no longer be the right value.

For 123 MHz the difference is probably not all that much, but it might be
enough, depending on your transmitter.

Jose

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CHANGE USERNAME TO westes wrote:

How tall was that telescoping antenna?

Does anyone sell an off the shelf 5/8 wave telescoping antenna with a strong
magnetic base?

Whatever 5/8 of an RF wavelength of 128.0 MHz is; somewhere around 3 1/2 feet,
or so.

No one sells them off the shelf, because they can cut one for you in about two
minutes. Any decend ham radio store has all the stuff.

"Max T, CFI" wrote:

I disagree with the method described below for calculating a 5/8 wavelenth antenna.
As I recall, the formula you have below gives you the length in feet of
a half wave length antenna (not the full wavelength as you suggest). So a 5/8 ths
wave antenna would be twice as long as you calculated. Also, if you took a 2 meter
5/8's wave antenna, you'd need to lengthen it (not cut it down) to use it as a 5/8 wave
antenna on 123 MHz.
You probably could take a 5/8 wave 2 meter ham antenna and cut it down to a 1/4 wavelength
antenna for use on 123 MHz. The length for that would be somewhere around 22.89 inches.
Max T, CFI (and ham radio operator)

EDR wrote in message ...
In article , CHANGE USERNAME TO
westes wrote:

How tall was that telescoping antenna?

I do not remember how long it extends to.
IIRC, the formula is 468/f(MHz) gives the wavelength. Multiply by 5/8
to get the antenna length in feet. For 123.0 MHz (middle of the band),
the length is 28.5 inches.

Does anyone sell an off the shelf 5/8 wave telescoping antenna with a strong
magnetic base?

Just purchase a standard ham 2m mag mount antenna and cut a piece of
stainless steel rod that fits the mag mount to the above calculated
length.

I had mine cut for 128.0 MHz to optimize the VHF voice band. The nav frequencies are less
important. Ham Radio Specialists in San Diego cut it, and had stock to do 5/8 wave length at
that frequency. The whip is much longer than 28.5 inches; somewhere around 40 inches, or so.