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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . | "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | ... | | "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : | | | | | | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message | | ... | | | "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in | | | : | | | | | | | | | "Stefan" wrote in message | | | .. . | | | | Robert Moore schrieb: | | | | | | | | What you have described is the "forward slip". Although | control | | usage | | | | is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a | | crosswind, | | | | and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly | | | | | | | | A slip is a slip is a slip. | | | | | | | | I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the | art | | | | of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the | | | | conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female | | | | students. | | | | | | Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie | | | Buttlick. | | | | | | | | | | | | Bwawhahw! | | | | | | You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you? | | | | | | | | | | | | Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw! | | | | | | | | | Bertie | | | | Did you pass out on the send button again, dumb ass. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nope. | | | | | | Bertie | | Must be just clueless then. | | I like the double copy to RAP in the send field. You must really be | FUed | tonight. | | | | | | Nope. | | | | Bertie |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Sep 22, 10:35*am, Stefan wrote:
Robert Moore schrieb: What you have described is the "forward slip". *Although control usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly A slip is a slip is a slip. I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female students. There are some pretty wonderful 'slips' of the power on variety in the second minute of this video. Even if you've seen it before, if you fly, you'll smile and be a little envious -- or a lot envious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3q8MDFltxI |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT), a wrote:
On Sep 22, 10:35*am, Stefan wrote: Robert Moore schrieb: What you have described is the "forward slip". *Although control usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly A slip is a slip is a slip. I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female students. There are some pretty wonderful 'slips' of the power on variety in the second minute of this video. Even if you've seen it before, if you fly, you'll smile and be a little envious -- or a lot envious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3q8MDFltxI EXCELLENT! tHANKS! -- Mommy, Daddy, can i live with you the rest of my life? Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! i umpire but i don wanna work either. ______________ / \ | WHAAAAAAAAAAA! | \__ _________/ / ,' _.~._ /,' ,~'.~@~.`~. / : _..._ : \ { :,"''\\`".: } `C) 0 _ 0 (--.._,-"""-.__ ( ) @ ( ) `. `-.-_-.-' \ ,' \ / ,` ;`-._,-. ,' ,'/ ,' `---t.,-. \_ ,--.,',' ,'----.__\ _( \----' '///,`,--.,' `-.__.--' `. ) '///,' `-` |
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Bertie's has crabs, wears his mothers slips, and crosses his legs everywhere he drools.
"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... | "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : | | | | | And of course you would know that, because you are an aviation legend. | | | | | Thenkkew. | | | | Bertie | | | | Ta da! Bertie |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen"
wrote: in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip. side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft aerodynamically. they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile. it is a side slip. youalls mileage may vary :-) Stealth Pilot The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the ground. The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. The side slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. In a no-wind situation the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending on which wing is lowered. The primary use of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline. why on earth are you lecturing me about slips? I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need. in my country they are known only as side slips because the control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards. it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction between forward and sideways slips. to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane. ymmv Stealth Pilot |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Sep 27, 10:19*am, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" wrote: in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip. side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft aerodynamically. they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile. it is a side slip. youalls mileage may vary :-) Stealth Pilot The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. *The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path .. This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situation the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline. why on earth are you lecturing me about slips? I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need. in my country they are known only as side slips because the control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards. it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction between forward and sideways slips. to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane. ymmv Stealth Pilot In both cases the pilot is presenting the side of the airplane to the wind. The nonsense has everything to do with the track of the axis of the airplane over the ground, doesn't it? If the axis points to the direction of travel over the ground, as we would like in landing, that's a slip of one flavor, if it doesn't, it's a different flavor. I think the landing slip is a little more difficult since the reference is different, but even then, many pilots kick the airplane to track the centerline at the last moment. If I need to come down fast I just ram in a foot-full of rudder (Mooneys do not have a lot of rudder authority) and buy the tracking I need with the yoke. It's fairly easy to track along the runway centerline if I use that as a reference, and just never bother saying gee, this is a slide slip, now let's change it to a forward one. In all cases it's just flying the airplane (and unless an unexpected change in landing clearance had been issued by the tower) cursing a little because I put myself a bit too high or too hot to get to where I want to be in a coordinated way. That is bad piloting. |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
Stealth Pilot wrote in
: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" wrote: in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip. side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft aerodynamically. they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile. it is a side slip. youalls mileage may vary :-) Stealth Pilot The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the ground. The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. The side slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. In a no-wind situation the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending on which wing is lowered. The primary use of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline. why on earth are you lecturing me about slips? I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need. in my country they are known only as side slips because the control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards. it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction between forward and sideways slips. to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane. ymmv Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it! Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and the.... What else? Bertie |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Stealth Pilot wrote : On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" wrote: in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip. side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft aerodynamically. they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile. it is a side slip. youalls mileage may vary :-) Stealth Pilot The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situation the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline. why on earth are you lecturing me about slips? I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need. in my country they are known only as side slips because the control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards. it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction between forward and sideways slips. to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane. ymmv Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it! Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and the.... What else? Bertie black boxes come to mind, so do car radios. |
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Crab, slips, and crossed controls
On Sep 27, 2:22*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
wrote : On Sep 27, 12:07*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Stealth Pilot wrote innews:fsfsd4hmkhnk : On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen" wrote: in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip. side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft aerodynamically. they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile. it is a side slip. youalls mileage may vary :-) Stealth Pilot The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is accomplished by lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. The nose of the aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path is directly forward toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side slip, when used i n relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path . This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situatio n the aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is to counteract side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown parallel to the runway centerline. why on earth are you lecturing me about slips? I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need. in my country they are known only as side slips because the control inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty well any direction from side ways to forwards. it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction between forward and sideways slips. to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane. ymmv Americnas get to choose the spelling cuz they invented it! Much in the same way as you guys invented the rotary washing line and the.... What else? Bertie black boxes come to mind, so do car radios. Painting a cornflakes box black and sticking a wireless on a holden doesnt count! Bertie You count your way, the Aussies count theirs. They were inventive enough to take the America's Cup from us, and keep if for a couple of cycles. They are not on a per capital basis as strong as Israel, but they are not doing badly. Hell, they invented Great White Sharks and Waltzing Matildas and the digery do. Those are major contributions to world cultures. |
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