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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Dec 11, 9:59 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Which is kind of strange because the ADS-B requirements are going to effect a lot pilots than the trans-national reporting requirements. But the ADS-B requirement is achievable, it is possible to put this type of equipment on your aircraft (I would even look forward to it), but the border crossing requirements aren't possible to meet (unless Mexico all of the sudden becomes a 1st world nation with telephone systems). -Robert Achievable? You think? Hell it would be cheaper for US pilots to pay for satellite internet links at all the small and medium size airports near the US/Mex border than to add the equipment required for ADS-B in every US aircraft. |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:27:17 -0700, Newps wrote:
More likely a much smaller cost. That's the second time you suggested that ADS-B equipage will be less than stated, but failed to provide any credible argument to support your polyandrist prediction. WHY do you think it will be cheaper? Is there anything tangible that leads you to that conclusion, or are you prescient, or what? |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:59:56 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: But the ADS-B requirement is achievable, Complete (In and OUT) implementation of ADS-B is achievable too, and it would be significantly more useful than what is currently proposed. But, that isn't the issue. It's a matter of cost verses performance. What significant benefits does the current FAA proposal provide to light GA operations that might conceivably justify such a significant investment. Consider it might cost as much as 50% of the value to equip a C-150 with ADS-B, and significantly impact it's already marginal useful load number. it is possible to put this type of equipment on your aircraft (I would even look forward to it), I would look forward to it also if it were the full ADS-B implementation. Then the pilot would received useful information. There's even a chance that the position of military training flights might even be depicted then. But the FAA's proposal is for solely your aircraft to transmit its GPS coordinates and transponder S code to ATC at a cost to ALL aircraft owners of around $10,000.00. There is no data up-link to the cockpit, no WX, nor traffic depiction at all. |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:04:33 -0600, in rec.aviation.piloting you
wrote: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . Presumably due to the dearth of comments that have been submitted. Why do you presume to speak for others? Because, I have visited the comment web site, and found a total of 58 comments submitted in response to this NPRM. It's just a guess. Have you visited the docket comment web site? No. Oh well... |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
Guys-
I think you might want to check out www.aveoengineering.com They are releasing this as a standard feature in a DFD Skyway and TrafficCom/TransCom units, and the cost of these units is very low compared to Garmin. They don't have to pay for all of Garmin's marketing... they sell through word of mouth in the aviation community. The reason your previous estimates were around $10k was that you were looking at a Garmin solution. Garmin isn't the only game in town. Actually, sometimes other companies can come in with a new technology that is leaps over the competition. I believe that might be the case here with their Digital Flight Deck (DFD). It has XM Weather, XM Radio, Traffic depiction, WAAS GPS, etc. etc. Plus, the Aveo menus are simple to operate... not a click here, twist this, then this, then click here, then confirm, etc. like on the Garmins. Give them a look. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how low cost and highly functional they are. And remember, they build military grade solutions at Aveo! If it can work in a jet fighter... it can work in a C150 :-) Cheers, MrBizi On Dec 11, 7:10 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:59:56 -0800 (PST), "Robert M. Gary" wrote: But the ADS-B requirement is achievable, Complete (In and OUT) implementation of ADS-B is achievable too, and it would be significantly more useful than what is currently proposed. But, that isn't the issue. It's a matter of cost verses performance. What significant benefits does the current FAA proposal provide to light GA operations that might conceivably justify such a significant investment. Consider it might cost as much as 50% of the value to equip a C-150 with ADS-B, and significantly impact it's already marginal useful load number. it is possible to put this type of equipment on your aircraft (I would even look forward to it), I would look forward to it also if it were the full ADS-B implementation. Then the pilot would received useful information. There's even a chance that the position of military training flights might even be depicted then. But the FAA's proposal is for solely your aircraft to transmit its GPS coordinates and transponder S code to ATC at a cost to ALL aircraft owners of around $10,000.00. There is no data up-link to the cockpit, no WX, nor traffic depiction at all. |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
"Ron Lee" wrote in message
... The aircraft owners better wake up and read this stuff or they will be socked with an expensive mandate very soon. I expect to be priced out of flying long before this happens. Airport closings Fuel Tax Sales Tax Excise Tax Landing Fees Fuel Transfer Fees Parking Fees Security Fees Passenger Fees Skyrocketing insurance Unobtainable parts (carb floats) Did I miss anything? |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
How do you know people are ignoring it?
Presumably due to the dearth of comments that have been submitted. Have you visited the docket comment web site? Maybe people just don't believe protesting will make any difference. What ever happened to the thing on the DC FRZ and ADIZ? Last I saw we're still saddled with it (albeit in a cosmetically altered form) despite thousands of comments. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Why are people ignoring the ADS-B Out NPRM?
Ron Lee wrote: The current Garmin unit is in the $8000-9000 range installed and may or may not meet the requirements of the NPRM. The FAA projected cost is around $17,000. When transponders were first mandated the ones then on the market were over $10,000, which is like $25-30K today. |
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