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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Pete" wrote in message t.com... No, they want to tell you what you can and can't do in your bedroom, and with your own body. They want to tell you who you can marry, demand you go to church, but then you catch them in a motel room doin' what they said not to do. Conservatives are a bunch of lying liars. You've bought the propaganda. The basic difference between conservatives and liberals is their position on freedom. Conservatives are fer it, liberals are agin' it. Actually, you've over-simplified the situation. Both conservatives and liberals are for freedom - as long as it's to do things they agree with! Both conservatives and liberals are against freedom - when it comes to things they disagree with! Frankly, I'm getting tired of people using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" as if they had any meaning. They're simply ways of casting ones self as one of the "good guys" - while at the same time belittling one's opponents - used by those too lazy to argue the merits of an issue. For a case in point, see the words "You've bought the propaganda" printed above. Rich Lemert |
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Teacherjh wrote:
Did you know that truckers pay an average of $15,000* in highway taxes? What do you pay for your car tax? And bicycles ride free (except on highways). Shouldn't bicycles pay $15,000 in taxes to be fair? Jose * From a bumper sticker. I made the number up because I can't remember the real one, which is five figures in any case. In order to answer your (rhetorical) question, we need a bit more information - things like how many miles does the average trucker put on the highways each year, and how many miles do you put on your car? how much of the money spent on highway maintanance due to damage from trucks, and how much is from damage by cars? You know, answers to those trivial little questions that neither side of the issue likes to talk about because of the risk that people might understand the issue. Rich Lemert |
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On 16-Apr-2004, "Tony Cox" wrote: I'd have expected those who chose Libertarian would be a substantially higher proportion than the general population and the Greens substantially lower. Pilots are a self-reliant independent bunch, keen on driving machines whose gas consumption puts SUV's to shame. Taking into account that I can fly from point A to point B in a straight line (rather than following a highway), my Arrow gets about the same fuel efficiency (at 65% cruise) as a typical sedan. A Mooney would do even better. -- -Elliott Drucker |
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In order to answer your (rhetorical) question, we need a bit more information - things like how many miles does the average trucker put on the highways each year, and how many miles do you put on your car? how much of the money spent on highway maintanance due to damage from trucks, and how much is from damage by cars? You know, answers to those trivial little questions that neither side of the issue likes to talk about because of the risk that people might understand the issue. Exactly. I'm not going to supply the information, because for one, I don't have the studies in hand, and for two, that's not the point of my post. Rather, your point is my point. One trucker hopping a curb ensures the curb needs repair or replacement. It would take lot of cars to do the same damage. I don't have studies to prove this, but I think it's self-evident, and I've seen it happen. A trucker that's not on the road (probably at highway speed) for a good portion of the workweek is not going to make much money, and won't last long. I don't know of any passenger cars that are on the road that much. Trucks weigh more than cars. 18-wheelers weigh LOTS more than cars. I don't have data to prove this either, but it's self evident to me. (yes, I know that empty they weigh less than full). My point is that the bumper sticker is supposed to bypass all those little questions with the "oh my god, $18,000 - that's so unfair" reaction. The same is true of the little airplanes in the system question. Ultimately the question comes down to what is "fair" to user B, in a system that has tto be constructed anyway for user A. That question is not amenable to facts and figures, but is philosophical in nature, though once that question is addressed, the facts and figures will figure into the final bill. It's similar in nature to the "is flying safer" question.. safer per mile? per minute? per passenger? per dollar spant? per area endangered? per diem? persnickety? Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message ... People still buy cigarettes.... How can anyone possibly explain why vast numbers of people will continue to buy something that burns their mouths and lungs, makes the eyes sting, smells bad, makes food taste bad, is likely to burn themselves, their friends, and their possessions, and is deadly poisonous to boot, and even claim that they 'enjoy' it? Perhaps liberalism is to politics what tobacco is to recreation. Maybe JFK was right after all, when he claimed that he was a jelly doughnut. :-) Okay, I was gonna stay out of this, but since people are comparing liberalism to poison, cigarettes and other cancerous substances, it may be time to remind everyone that our country was founded on some quite liberal principles. Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear liberalism likened to "poison". Some people have no sense of humor. :-( All right, you want to play it that way, Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear what modern day liberalism espouses (socialism, restrictions on freedom of speech on campus and in the press, restrictions on the right to bear arms, restrictions on the right to practice your religion, racial quotas, seizure of personal property for public use without compensation, abandonment of morals, restrictions on campaign advertising and financing, etc.). Thomas Jefferson liberals are what we call conservatives nowadays. Most liberals hate Jefferson and tar his reputation and his principles whenever they can. Modern day liberals portray Jefferson as an oppressive white slave owner and rapist, an establishment figure tied to big money and corrupt politics. If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school kids know about Jefferson. |
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"Theorem" wrote in message ... BllFs6 wrote: Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke If only it was even as good as that Liberalism is more imprisoning than communism ever thought of being while hiding under the fake facade of true freedom..... Jesus was a liberal. Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals that Jesus taught? |
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"Chicken Bone" wrote in message news.com... Flightinfo.com asked for pilots political orientation. Results: Democrat 22.97% Republican 57.24% Ind. 19.79% http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...threadid=21699 -- Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke Seems a number of people have forgotten that liberalism has abandoned liberal principles. Modern liberalism is just monarchy dressed up in new clothes. It was not so long ago that the people who today call themselves liberals were called aristocrats and Tories. |
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"Gig Giacona" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net... I suspect the results would have been more illuminating had they included the Libertarians and Greens as options. How so? They'd both be included in the 19.79% that voted independent. Wrong, I'd bet the majority og the 19.79% voted either Dem or Republican in the last election. Most people who claim to be independents --- aren't. |
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