Get Rid Of Warbirds At Oshkosh

Jim,

Most of the warbirds are classed as Experimental. By definition, they
are "our own" as much as the squadrons of glass-cockpit RVs and
Lancairs and the increasingly-rare builder-designed or even plans-built
birds.

Aviation - especially Experimental aviation, VERY especially
high-density Experimental aviation - is a high-risk endeavor.
Situational awareness is never perfect. Accidents DO happen.

A good many T-6 drivers may be hot-doggers. The waddling TBM doesn't
lend itself to that sort of attitude, though. Having seen TBMs and RVs
up close, though, I can understand how it might be hard to see an RV
from a TBM - especially if it was close-aboard.

To the under-30 crowd who "can't relate" to WW2 aircraft, I
respectfully submit the observation that if not for those aircraft -
and the men and women (now in their 80s if they're alive at all) who
built, maintained, and flew them - you would almost certainly not be
reading this post today. Totalitarian states do not permit
experimental aviation.

Those "ancient clattertraps" serve to remind us that freedom such as we
enjoy is not - has never been, will never be - free.

-Corrie

RST Engineering wrote:
So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than
good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his
aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for
this sort of stupidity.

Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.

Jim

Jim,

Don't get me wrong, I certainly appreciate them and the sacrifices of
those who operated them. The vaccuum tube computer was an important
invention in history too and should be preserved. However, it would be
a mere passing curiosity at today's Consumer Electornics Show for
instance.

It's not that they are not important, but that for me _personally_ they
do not hold my interest. They apparently interest plenty of other
people and that's fine.... I'll go look at the Cirrus and Eclipse
exhibits during that part of the airshow!

--Dan



CB wrote:
Jim,

Most of the warbirds are classed as Experimental. By definition, they
are "our own" as much as the squadrons of glass-cockpit RVs and
Lancairs and the increasingly-rare builder-designed or even plans-built
birds.

Aviation - especially Experimental aviation, VERY especially
high-density Experimental aviation - is a high-risk endeavor.
Situational awareness is never perfect. Accidents DO happen.

A good many T-6 drivers may be hot-doggers. The waddling TBM doesn't
lend itself to that sort of attitude, though. Having seen TBMs and RVs
up close, though, I can understand how it might be hard to see an RV
from a TBM - especially if it was close-aboard.

To the under-30 crowd who "can't relate" to WW2 aircraft, I
respectfully submit the observation that if not for those aircraft -
and the men and women (now in their 80s if they're alive at all) who
built, maintained, and flew them - you would almost certainly not be
reading this post today. Totalitarian states do not permit
experimental aviation.

Those "ancient clattertraps" serve to remind us that freedom such as we
enjoy is not - has never been, will never be - free.

-Corrie

RST Engineering wrote:
So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than
good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his
aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for
this sort of stupidity.

Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.

Jim

RST,

Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.


Great idea. GA is small enough to be threatened from all sides, so we
should definitely start the in-fighting and make it even smaller by
ourselves. Yep. Sounds great. For the airlines.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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"RST Engineering" wrote:

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So this afternoon, one of the WWII warbird people who has more money than
good sense, and who never learned how to clear the taxiway in front of his
aircraft, killed one of our own. There has to be some sort of payback for
this sort of stupidity.

Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.

From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served
to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh. But how to do that? There's the rub, eh?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob,

From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served
to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh.


And it sounds like everyone posting is not part of that group gd&r.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
From this post and others, sounds like everyone would be better served
to keep stupid pilots from Oshkosh. But how to do that? There's the rub, eh?

I spent a few hours listening on the scanner, and one thing that struck me
is that the tower people were *way* too accomodating. We heard people just
call in 5 miles out from any which direction, not having followed the
Ripon-Fisk arrival route, and instead of telling them to go away and come
back when they had read the NOTAM, tower just slotted them in and welcomed
them to Oshkosh. Other people reading back tower instructions, people
landing on the threshold instead of their assigned dots, etc. And tower
just worked around the stupidity. Not much incentive for you to study the
NOTAM and practice spot landings for a week if being fat, dumb and happy
gets your a faster arrival.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died. -- Steven Wright

its the 98% of pilots who give the rest a bad reputation.

The best airshows and flyins I've been to...have been those without
warbirds. Furthermore I'm more than tired of the worship demanded of
the entire WWII thing. Yes, they did good. Now can we puh-leeeze
move on??

Having said that, I know there are those who like the warbirds and the
worshipful attitude. And a huge airshow/flyin like Airventure should
have them as part of the complete package. But they should definitely
be segregrated from GA arrivals and departures.

RST Engineering wrote:


Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.

Jim


To imply that warbird pilots as a group are hotdogging idiots to be
banned is as valid as saying that all Cessna pilots are fine,
professional types that do no wrong. Ban a whole group...never. How
about some enforcement against the show-offs and rules breakers that
form the minority of all pilot groups?!

I completely agree with your comment with one addition.
Penalty enforcement is fine, and should be encouraged, but its not what will
save lives. Pre-emptive analysis of the entire flight and ground safety
issue at Oshkosh is the only approach to this issue that will save lives.
The safety program in general at Oshkosh needs a serious and in depth
review. The traffic situation vs the space available both in the air and on
the ground has reached the point where absolute control is necessary.
Without this taking place, I'm afraid there might very well be a need for
more "enforcement" after the fact.....down the line.
Dudley Henriques


"RomeoMike" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote:


Warbirds, you are not welcome at Oshkosh.

Jim


To imply that warbird pilots as a group are hotdogging idiots to be banned
is as valid as saying that all Cessna pilots are fine, professional types
that do no wrong. Ban a whole group...never. How about some enforcement
against the show-offs and rules breakers that form the minority of all
pilot groups?!