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Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:32:04 -0500, Charlie Wolf
wrote: Hey Tom - you little hypocritical piece of horse****.. Did you feel the same way about Clinton? Or are you just a lying piece of liberal scum? I think - the latter. Regards, Clinton at least had the balls to say what he believed at the time. He wasn't like the cowardly Bush and Cheney... acting like they supported the war while dodging it themselves. I have more respect for those that had the balls to walk their talk than for the chickenhawks who squawked and balked. To know the neocon chickenhawks......... watch what they do ..... not what they say....... Jack On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:39:37 GMT, (Tom Lacombe) wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:08:34 +0100, wrote: Because he would have had to go to war for his country, something he and Cheney were unwilling to do, but they don't mind sending our kids off to war. Peace! http://www.vietnow.com/artbc.htm |
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"Jack" wrote Try to pay attention next time... only those who squawked and balked.... that means chickenhawks. Like George W. Bush.. who used his fathers connections to get him a safe slot in the ANG.....and Dick Cheney... who had "other priorities". OK....we'll amend that. "anyone who was in the military at the time, but not in Vietnam (and that you don't like)" Gotcha Pete |
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Try to pay attention next time... only those who squawked and
balked.... that means chickenhawks. Like George W. Bush.. who used his fathers connections to get him a safe slot in the ANG.....and Dick Cheney... who had "other priorities". OK....we'll amend that. "anyone who was in the military at the time, but not in Vietnam (and that you don't like)" What part of the military was Dick Cheney in? There's at least one 4-star who had the experience of expressing caution at Cheney's exuberant description of the Iraqi cakewalk, and got a lecture from Cheney on McLellan's cautious ways, and later the gift of a set of tapes on the Civil War. Apparently Dick likes only those wars at least a hundred years old, or fought by others thousands of miles away. |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:50:37 GMT, "Pete" wrote:
"Jack" wrote Try to pay attention next time... only those who squawked and balked.... that means chickenhawks. Like George W. Bush.. who used his fathers connections to get him a safe slot in the ANG.....and Dick Cheney... who had "other priorities". OK....we'll amend that. "anyone who was in the military at the time, but not in Vietnam (and that you don't like)" Gotcha Pete Wrong again Pete.... let me explain. During the Vietnam era very few ANG units participated in the war...and certainly no interceptor units of the type Bush was shuttled into. He was in that unit specifically to avoid duty in Vietnam. That is why, among many other reasons, I have no respect at all for the man.... and Dick Cheney, well, his statement that he had "other priorities" speaks for itself and needs no further explanation. I spent 28 years in the military and have nothing but admiration and respect for those who serve. However, during that time in our nations history, I do not respect or admire those, like Bush, who used the national guard as a safe haven to protect only themselves. To know the neocon chickenhawks ........ watch what they do ..... not what they say...... Jack |
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Jack wrote: Wrong again Pete.... let me explain. During the Vietnam era very few ANG units participated in the war...and certainly no interceptor units of the type Bush was shuttled into. He was in that unit specifically to avoid duty in Vietnam. Either do some actual homework, Jack, or get a better grade of sitter: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0185.shtml "...pilots from the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, as it was called at the time, were actually conducting combat missions in Vietnam at the very time Bush enlisted. In fact, F-102 squadrons had been stationed in South Vietnam since March 1962." " One of the primary ANG units to receive the F-102 was the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS) at Ellington Air National Guard Station, which operated the aircraft from 1965 through 1974...he 111th was and still is part of the 147th Fighter Wing in Houston, Texas. It was here that George W. Bush was stationed following his enlistment in May 1968." "Pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970." If you're looking to "avoid duty in Vietnam", it seems sort of counterproductive to enlist in a unit that was sending pilots there at the time you joined. This information is neither new nor obscure. There's not excuse for your prattling on and on and on with your line. |
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Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: "Jay T. Beatty" Date: 8/14/2004 9:33 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: k.net "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message news On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:08:34 +0100, wrote: It's easy to get them. You've got to be relatively incompetent at your job. To get multiples indicates either incredible bravery (coupled with incompetence) or a high level of accident-proneness. Thats a bull**** statement, but since your an ex-fighter pilot, I can see how you would think that. Bull**** is right. Casualtis are largley the resilt of statistical happenstance and chaos theory. Men are often killed by wild bursts of gunfire that has nothing to do with competance. The idea that " I survived because I'm smart and the other guy died because he is stupid" is the ultimate height of arrogance. Go to my website and click on "One went down" to see a B-26 turned into a flaming coffin with my friends inside. Were they incompetant? What bulll****. What total bull****. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts
From: (Tom Lacombe) Date: 8/14/2004 10:47 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: As a rifleman in Vietnam, I did receive a Purple Heart for a minor wound. I might have made it through that day without being wounded if I hadn't been ordered by an officer to move to an exposed position Show me a man who was never in an exposed position, and I will show you a man who has never been to combat. Or is a liar. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Lot of noise being made about Purple Hearts From: "Jay T. Beatty" Date: 8/14/2004 9:33 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: k.net "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message news On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:08:34 +0100, wrote: It's easy to get them. You've got to be relatively incompetent at your job. To get multiples indicates either incredible bravery (coupled with incompetence) or a high level of accident-proneness. Thats a bull**** statement, but since your an ex-fighter pilot, I can see how you would think that. Bull**** is right. Casualtis are largley the resilt of statistical happenstance and chaos theory. LOL! This crap is the product of the guy who has been telling us that all that book larnin' ain't worth a plug nickel? "Statistical happinstance and chaos theory"?! I guess the folks who write about statistics and those who are developing chaos theory are believable, while those that have analyzed combat operations are not...? One wonders if those *were* the primary reasons, why then do the "new guys" experience a greater loss rate than the expereinced hands? Especially in air combat? Men are often killed by wild bursts of gunfire that has nothing to do with competance. The idea that " I survived because I'm smart and the other guy died because he is stupid" is the ultimate height of arrogance. Substitute "competent and experienced" for "smart", and "often inexperienced or incompetent" for "stupid" and you might be onto something there, Oh Bookless Wonder. Go to my website and click on "One went down" to see a B-26 turned into a flaming coffin with my friends inside. Were they incompetant? What bulll****. What total bull****. Why should we go to your website and read your account? You have just been telling us that written accounts are worthless, right? Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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ArtKramr wrote:
Casualtis are largley the resilt of statistical happenstance and chaos theory. Using that theory, there's no reason to train aircrew beyond the basics of operating their machine. I mean, if its all "statisical happenstance" then it really doesn't matter who's good and who's not. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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