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"Taliban Doors"
Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about
the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"? On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches. Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after they were first installed? |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... EDR wrote: On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches. Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after they were first installed? Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much. But you do open the flight deck door in the air. |
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EDR wrote: On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches. Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after they were first installed? Well, since you aren't going to hit the fuel cutoff switches in the air under normal circumstances, I'd say it doesn't matter much. George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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Ron Natalie wrote: But you do open the flight deck door in the air. Ah, yes. So we're back to the old "make sure it's the flaps and not the gear before you hit the switch" scenario. George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:20:36 GMT EDR wrote:
Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"? On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches. Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after they were first installed? Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked. R. Hubbell |
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"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04... Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. |
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I guess none...
The fuel cutoff switches on the 767 must be pulled out, flipped down, and shoved back in to cutoff the fuel. They aren't simply flip switches like the cabin door lock switches most likely are. The fuel cutoff switches are designed to require a very deliberate act on the part of crew to ensure that accidental fuel cutoff never happens. This is why the flight data records of the Egypt air flight that was kamikazee'd into the Atlantic were so telling... the fuel cutoff switches were both moved to the off position shortly after the first officer began losing the flight control battle (I push you pull) with the captain. Once he cut off fuel to the engines, they were toast... an in flight restart with a first officer fighting to crash the plane would be difficult at best. Dean EDR wrote in message ... Has anyone heard the stories from airline pilots of 767 aircraft about the placement of the unlock switch for the mandated "Taliban Doors"? On at least one aircarrier, they are next to the fuel cutoff switches. Care to guess how many times the wrong switch has been flipped after they were first installed? |
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0500, "Ron Natalie" wrote:
"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04... Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I've heard that saying so many times, and this is the best application of it that I have read! Bravo!!! |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04... Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Rather like the ESP experiments...they don't even hit the level of chance/good guess. He (Nader) has proposed quite a lot in his day. If all his recommendations were adopted, a medium valued car would cost $170,000, a Cessna 182 would be $750K and would weigh 5,500 lbs empty. Nader isn't a rocket scientist by any means...he's not even a engineer, and certainly has never run any business other than his strong-arm organization that would do the Mafia proud. Yet the scumbag raises $$millions and he got 5% of the vote...beating even the Libertarian candidate. |
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:12:36 -0500 "Ron Natalie" wrote:
"R. Hubbell" wrote in message news:TwgKb.101503$pY.93513@fed1read04... Interesting side-note to the new doors, Ralph Nader and his Raiders proposed improved doors back in 1987 but the airlines balked. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Actually that's incorrect. A stopped clock would only be right if you looked at it at the exact moment of the time that's displayed. This is all based on the assumption that it's a clock with hands and that it's a 12 hour clock. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble. I'm sure you'll get over it though. R. Hubbell |
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