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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"Malcolm Teas" wrote in message om... 2) An ADIZ that requires clearance and a transponder code. It doesn't require clearance, but unfortunately some ATC folk think it does. And, you never know which kind you're dealing with. Personally, with the penalties involved, I want to hear something similar to, "cleared into the ADIZ" and get that on tape. Maybe this is a student's caution. But, I believe that the caution is appropriate in this case. |
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Michael wrote:
Bart wrote I mean if there's 300,000 ish AOPA members out there, then that's an important block of votes. No it's not. It's a tiny, insignificant block of votes. That's got to be one of the biggest PAC's next to AARP. It's not even on the same order of magnitude as AARP. I believe AARP is at least 100 times bigger than AOPA. True, but AOPA sits astride a unique demographic: I'd guess that pilots gnerally vote overwhelmingly Republican. To the extent that they might be willing to withold their votes from this president (or - gasp! - even vote for someone else), they could potentially move a lot more votes than a group whose voting record is much more evenly divided across the political spectrum. I agree that in raw numbers, the "pilot vote" doesn't look like it's very big. But since the vast majority of pilots probably voted for Dubya last time, AOPA could potentially have an impact that's much greater than the raw numbers suggest. For example: You **** off the National Education Association (mostly Democratic voters) and this president doesn't stand to lose much - not too many NEA members voted for Bush last time. But **** off 400,000 AOPA members - who (I suspect) DID vote for Bush in droves last time - and there might be a real price to pay in the next election. At least that's what I like to think. Those who were paying attention will recall that the last presidential election was - ahem - CLOSE. I think the next one will be too. Every vote counts (well...except in Florida, of course David H Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA |
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I'm sure there are quite a few republicans in the 2.7 million members of the NEA (I
work with quite a few of them). I'm a member of AOPA and a member of NEA, hmmmm, who would I have voted for? Don't judge a person's voting habits solely on the groups they belong to. Margy David H wrote: Michael wrote: Bart wrote I mean if there's 300,000 ish AOPA members out there, then that's an important block of votes. No it's not. It's a tiny, insignificant block of votes. That's got to be one of the biggest PAC's next to AARP. It's not even on the same order of magnitude as AARP. I believe AARP is at least 100 times bigger than AOPA. True, but AOPA sits astride a unique demographic: I'd guess that pilots gnerally vote overwhelmingly Republican. To the extent that they might be willing to withold their votes from this president (or - gasp! - even vote for someone else), they could potentially move a lot more votes than a group whose voting record is much more evenly divided across the political spectrum. I agree that in raw numbers, the "pilot vote" doesn't look like it's very big. But since the vast majority of pilots probably voted for Dubya last time, AOPA could potentially have an impact that's much greater than the raw numbers suggest. For example: You **** off the National Education Association (mostly Democratic voters) and this president doesn't stand to lose much - not too many NEA members voted for Bush last time. But **** off 400,000 AOPA members - who (I suspect) DID vote for Bush in droves last time - and there might be a real price to pay in the next election. At least that's what I like to think. Those who were paying attention will recall that the last presidential election was - ahem - CLOSE. I think the next one will be too. Every vote counts (well...except in Florida, of course David H Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA |
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"Michael" wrote in message om... Bart wrote I mean if there's 300,000 ish AOPA members out there, then that's an important block of votes. No it's not. It's a tiny, insignificant block of votes. That's got to be one of the biggest PAC's next to AARP. It's not even on the same order of magnitude as AARP. I believe AARP is at least 100 times bigger than AOPA. AOPA = 300,000 AARP = 3.7 million (all dedicated to looting the public trough), or 10.2 times bigger. NRA = 4.1 million (who knows what they're up to) Tom -- For my de-spammed address, send me an email. |
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Malcolm Teas wrote:
Consider "permanent TFR" a tongue-in-cheek phrase. I meant it that way. I consider it one more example of the abuse of the public (and of truth) being committed by the current administration. I've been noticing this for some time, but I've finally started to log these (although I've no idea why). For example, calling the people in Iraq fighting our military "terrorists" instead of "guerrillas", despite the fact that it is our *military* being attacked. This was just yesterday, and was the final straw which pushed me over into starting my collection. But there've been all these analyses of the two tax cuts which showed them primarily helping the wealthy combined with the administration's claims that it is good for "all those who pay taxes". Of course, this doesn't include the 8 million mostly low-income taxpayers cited in a study by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. This came up in early June, and I think it's what started me thinking about a collection. - Andrew |
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Kevin, you are tha man!
Nice Job, Bart Kevin McCue wrote: Along the lines of this and a previous thread, I sent this to the White house yesterday w/copies to my congressional critters. President Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington D.C. July1, 2003 Dear President Bush, Please do not visit or send Vice President Cheney to the Tucson area during your fund raising and campaigning junkets. The onerous flight restrictions now (30 nm radius) imposed by your travels are in excess of 12,000 cubic miles of airspace closed to general aviation. Not only does this deprive law-abiding U.S. citizens of their right to travel but it could push some struggling businesses over the edge. Since 9/11, innuendo, false alarms and pointless flight restrictions have decimated the general aviation industry. This industry employs more people than the airlines but has not received any economic relief. On the contrary, general aviation continues to be selected for additional economic damage through an executive policy of unreasonable restrictions, impositions, and lack of due process. The "DC 3" airports are an excellent example. You have a right to campaign and raise funds but you must be aware that these activities are not within the duties of you office. While conducting these activities you are holding your rights above those of millions of fellow citizens. I hope you will take an opportunity to review your security arrangements soon. Until you can reduce the imposition (return to the 10 nm radius) or realistically justify the current restrictions, please give your fellow citizens a break and stay home. Kevin W. McCue Business owner and pilot -- Kevin McCue KRYN '47 Luscombe 8E Rans S-17 (for sale) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:23 -0700, "Kevin McCue" wrote:
Along the lines of this and a previous thread, I sent this to the White house yesterday w/copies to my congressional critters. President Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington D.C. July1, 2003 Dear President Bush, -snip- Kevin W. McCue Business owner and pilot Right on Kevin! TM -- Toadmonkey: "Now now. Brain popping and world crashing may be hazardous to ones perception of reality. Very dangerous business that can lead to madness or something worse for some, truth." Please remove all bits of spam from addy before replying.... -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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Bart wrote: I mean if there's 300,000 ish AOPA members out there, then that's an important block of votes. That's got to be one of the biggest PAC's next to AARP. AOPA is barely big enough to get on a Congresscritter's radar. NRA has over ten times as many members, for example. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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"Tom S." wrote: NRA = 4.1 million (who knows what they're up to) Right now, we are primarily concerned with trying to keep the "assault weapons" ban from being renewed by Congress and criticizing the president for promising to sign the bill if it passes. Pilots aren't the only people feeling betrayed by Bush. George Patterson The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist is afraid that he's correct. James Branch Cavel |
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No judgement intended Margy, just looking at things in aggregate. While there surely are
Republicans in the NEA and Democrats in the AOPA, I think they probably represent a minority of those organizations. If the Democratic candidate alienated the NEA, they would have something to worry about, since the NEA typically is counted on by the Democrats to be part of their solid base. Same for AOPA and the Republicans. Margy Natalie wrote: I'm sure there are quite a few republicans in the 2.7 million members of the NEA (I work with quite a few of them). I'm a member of AOPA and a member of NEA, hmmmm, who would I have voted for? Don't judge a person's voting habits solely on the groups they belong to. Margy David H wrote: Michael wrote: Bart wrote I mean if there's 300,000 ish AOPA members out there, then that's an important block of votes. No it's not. It's a tiny, insignificant block of votes. That's got to be one of the biggest PAC's next to AARP. It's not even on the same order of magnitude as AARP. I believe AARP is at least 100 times bigger than AOPA. True, but AOPA sits astride a unique demographic: I'd guess that pilots gnerally vote overwhelmingly Republican. To the extent that they might be willing to withold their votes from this president (or - gasp! - even vote for someone else), they could potentially move a lot more votes than a group whose voting record is much more evenly divided across the political spectrum. I agree that in raw numbers, the "pilot vote" doesn't look like it's very big. But since the vast majority of pilots probably voted for Dubya last time, AOPA could potentially have an impact that's much greater than the raw numbers suggest. For example: You **** off the National Education Association (mostly Democratic voters) and this president doesn't stand to lose much - not too many NEA members voted for Bush last time. But **** off 400,000 AOPA members - who (I suspect) DID vote for Bush in droves last time - and there might be a real price to pay in the next election. At least that's what I like to think. Those who were paying attention will recall that the last presidential election was - ahem - CLOSE. I think the next one will be too. Every vote counts (well...except in Florida, of course David H Boeing Field (BFI), Seattle, WA |
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