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Mark James Boyd wrote: A trailer+glider that requires a V8 truck to tow is different from one I can tow with a 6 cylinder SUV. The weight is there, and has other implications than just rigging... I used to tow our LS-3a with a Toyota Corolla with 1.6l engine without any problems at all. Now I have Carina E with a 2.0l engine for more comfort though; it tows two-seaters like the ASK-21 and Janus just fine, and I wouldn't expect an open-class glider to pose any difficulties. So I do wonder what kind of gliders would require a V8 truck. [...], these are good club gliders and entry level first gliders. If someone has quite a bit more experience, or knows for sure they will stick with the sport like us fanatics, something sexier may be warranted. I don't see any reason why someone would need to own an "entry level" glider privately; you can fly those in your club. When the need for your own glider arrives you are no longer a beginner, and you are better off with a used LS-3, ASW-20 or something similar. Christian 8-) |
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Christian Husvik wrote:
Hei! Mark James Boyd wrote: A trailer+glider that requires a V8 truck to tow is different from one I can tow with a 6 cylinder SUV. The weight is there, and has other implications than just rigging... I used to tow our LS-3a with a Toyota Corolla with 1.6l engine without any problems at all. Now I have Carina E with a 2.0l engine for more comfort though; it tows two-seaters like the ASK-21 and Janus just fine, and I wouldn't expect an open-class glider to pose any difficulties. So I do wonder what kind of gliders would require a V8 truck. Try towing something heavy uphill, both ways, in the snow. 3 percent or better grade. Sure sure, on the flat roads and beaches of Santa Cruz I'd tow a catamaran, but a heavy trailer of ski gear up to Tahoe with four people seemed to like a nice big engine... If your path is flat enough, and acceleration is no issue, you can tow your 600# glider with a bicycle, right? [...], these are good club gliders and entry level first gliders. If someone has quite a bit more experience, or knows for sure they will stick with the sport like us fanatics, something sexier may be warranted. I don't see any reason why someone would need to own an "entry level" glider privately; you can fly those in your club. When the need for your own glider arrives you are no longer a beginner, and you are better off with a used LS-3, ASW-20 or something similar. I think there are those who don't want a "club" glider because it may be too heavily scheduled and they want something they don't have to compete for time with. This and going to remote gliding spots without getting "permission." This is the case for my club PW-5 and is a little bit of a hassle. But if the person is no longer a beginner, then sure, they're gonna want more performance, and if they don't mind the required "extras" then yep, get something faster... Christian 8-) |
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Liam Finley wrote: (Mark James Boyd) wrote in message news:4035b4c5$1@darkstar... A trailer+glider that requires a V8 truck to tow is different from one I can tow with a 6 cylinder SUV. The weight is there, and has other implications than just rigging... WTF? I've owned two 600-lb 15m gliders, and I've never used more than 4 cylinders to tow them. Perhaps you forgot to release the parking brake? LOL. I bet you live somewhere a bit flat? Good for you... |
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8 cylinders vs 4 cylinders
Tahoe vs Golf USA vs the World Diesel vs Gasoline Does it seem like a longer than usual winter? Liam Finley wrote: (Mark James Boyd) wrote in message news:4035b4c5$1@darkstar... A trailer+glider that requires a V8 truck to tow is different from one I can tow with a 6 cylinder SUV. The weight is there, and has other implications than just rigging... WTF? I've owned two 600-lb 15m gliders, and I've never used more than 4 cylinders to tow them. Perhaps you forgot to release the parking brake? Maybe each poster should list his parameters at the start of a posting: Typical towing speeds Distance towed each year Elevations towed over Peak air temperatures while towing Length of trip during towing (days, not distance) Number of passengers and their luggage Weight of trailer Weight of tow vehicle It'll bring some reality to the discussion when you realize one poster tows his glider 50 miles to the gliderport at the start of the season and back home at the end, while another is traveling 10,000 miles a year, with his family and luggage for 3 weeks at a time, several times a year. I know, it won't be as much fun! It might let us figure out why there is such a discrepancy in what is needed for an "adequate" tow vehicle. -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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If I can tow a horse trailer with two 1200 lb horses up Seven Mountains
(322 just west of Mifflin Co. Airport in PA) at 55mph with a 6-cylinder Explorer, I don't know what glider you could be hauling that would require a V8. Cheers. Liam Finley wrote: (Mark James Boyd) wrote in message news:... A trailer+glider that requires a V8 truck to tow is different from one I can tow with a 6 cylinder SUV. The weight is there, and has other implications than just rigging... WTF? I've owned two 600-lb 15m gliders, and I've never used more than 4 cylinders to tow them. Perhaps you forgot to release the parking brake? LOL. I bet you live somewhere a bit flat? Good for you... ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Liam Finley wrote:
(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com... (Mark James Boyd) wrote in message news:4035b4c5$1@darkstar... LOL. I bet you live somewhere a bit flat? Good for you... Not exactly. As much as I'd like to support yours and Greenwell's illusions, my 4-cylinder trailering experience includes trips of up to 1500 miles covering mountainous terrain in the eastern Sierras and Nevada Great Basin. I have no illusions, just an interest in what people are towing, what they're towing it with, and - what's often missing from the discussion - the conditions under which they are doing it. For example, I don't know these things about your towing: Typical towing speeds Distance towed each year Elevations towed over Peak air temperatures while towing Length of trip during towing (days, not distance) Number of passengers and their luggage Weight of trailer Weight of tow vehicle And the number of cylinders isn't too useful: my six cylinder mini van has less horsepower than my 4 cylinder sedan, and weighs more than the sedan. I think the sedan would do a better job towing, but I haven't tried it. It certainly would be more comfortable! -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com...
(Liam Finley) wrote in message . com... (Mark James Boyd) wrote in message news:4035b4c5$1@darkstar... LOL. I bet you live somewhere a bit flat? Good for you... Not exactly. As much as I'd like to support yours and Greenwell's illusions, my 4-cylinder trailering experience includes trips of up to 1500 miles covering mountainous terrain in the eastern Sierras and Nevada Great Basin. Try reading your owner's manual, especially the part about towing weight limits. |
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