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Jerry Springer wrote: Margy Natalie wrote: Dear Jerry, Jay is NOT posting the same thing over and over again. He is posting when there is an addition to the gallery that he is spending his time and money to produce for OUR enjoyment. Jay can be a bit much at times, but he does contribute to this news group in a very valuable way and has been here for a long time. He has the insanity to run a business that most of us here find unique and fun. Some of us have even gone to the hotel, but be assured if Jay thought for a second that the rec. groups would send him a lot of business he would be out of business real soon. Jay does host a wonderful party at his plane at OSH so the rec. crowd can get together . What have you done? Margy First I have been in RAH longer than you or Jay or even BWB, but I do not believe that time in a NG has anything to do with common courtesy when posting over and over again. I realize this is going to the RAP and RAO NG also but you and others insist on crossposting so be it. Despite what I say, or you or anyone else thinks of me, there have been some very respectable contributors to the NGs suggest way to post the notifications in an orderly manner and it seems Jay is to lazy to take those suggestion to heart. Let me see what have I done? Well I have built and made first flights on four airplanes and first flights on several other peoples projects. I have taught and helped at least 50 people get their PP certificates as well as commercial certificates and some have even gone on to be instructors and to make a living from aviation as commercial pilots. I served in Vietnam among some other places in the world. NOW WHAT is it that you have done Margy? Waiting for your answer, Jerry Dear Jerry, I was speaking of the news groups, not life in general. What have you done for the Rec. community. Jay is spending lots of time posting pics of newsgroup members. This group is, in part, a social group. I don't recall you having done anything for members of this group or even a subset of those members. Margy |
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Or one who has checked her sanity at the door (and I won't tell you if that's
referring to Ron or being a sped teacher :-)) Jerry Springer wrote: I know who she is married to and I commend her for being a special ed teacher, that takes a special kind of person. Jerry Jay Honeck wrote: Waiting for your answer, Jerry, I *think* Margy wanted to know what you've done for the newsgroup -- not in life. And be careful -- her list of life achievements is pretty formidable, too. She is a special ed teacher (which gets her half-way to sainthood by itself) AND works at the National Air & Space Museum. And she owns and flies a Navion. AND she's married to Ron -- which gets her the rest of the way to sainthood... ;-) Shall I continue? :-) |
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There's no need to be sorry about good fortune but there is also no need for you to trash everyone who hasn't done exactly what you did either. I agree Corky. What I get ****ed off about is the lack of courtesy that the know-nothings have. The bold and abrasive attacks and challenges of the know-nothings, the people (unlike you) who really don't want to learn anything, but just want to lie about what they are, what they have done and who they are. This place deteriorates to that level a lot although I haven't seen it in the last three days. Everyone is different and as the Indian's used to say: "one man cannot tell another man what to do." Sure they can. You are just an introvert. The idiots need direction or they wouldn't be hounding for it. You were obviously born with the smarts to accomplish what you wanted to do, that's great. But some people put relationships and family first, above flying. I understand that. I'm too old to be a commercial pilot now, but I'm not too old to follow through what I started as a kid and get my license. Now that that's accomplished, the next goal is to finish the airplane which I started 13 years ago. I cannot spend lots of money on it because I don't have lots of money to spend. It's a plans built type airplane because I could not afford the large outlay of cash necessary to buy a kit upfront. Scrounging for parts and pieces is interesting but slow. But I get enormous satisfaction in working on the airplane. When it's finally done, I may go into withdraw with nothing to do at night but hope for flying weather. Naaah. You'll find another project. I oil paint and draw a lot, and build RC models. You'll do the same. You'll find something to use your right lobe and keep busy when you retire from the library. That's the way it is with people who are bright. They find a challenge no matter what stage of life they are in. I pray for boredom. I haven't had the opportunity to be bored since childhood. What a luxury to be bored. I pray for the day when I can once again be bored. I get up at 6 a.m. and I crank-ass all day long. I try to take a nap,but seldomly get the chance unless I'm just tired as hell and my body forces me to rest. GOD! What it would be like to be bored for a couple hours. I have no chance of looking forward to that in life. There is just too much out there that I haven't done and want to do. Most of it requires a lot of study too. I'll explain. When I was teaching physics at the university, students would come to my office and ask me how to solve a physics problem I had assigned as homework. I usually found that they hadn't even tried the problem. That's like what I see a lot of here on RAH. I would tell them to go spend 8 hours on the problem and if they couldn't solve it, come back and I would give them some guidance---I would not tell them that I would give them the secret to the problem, only some guidance. They rolled over and puked in my office and went away. What I hated was someone who wanted to start at the top without paying the proper dues. Wing-Ding is like that. He want's to have it all without walking through the maze. I guess most people are like that, they want degrees and titles and the cream, but pay no dues. RAH is like that. What I see are people who want a free ride and capitalize on the experience of all the old time masters like O'ring and others who left long ago, but the newbees want to pay no dues. The young people especially nowadays want instant gratification. They don't want to work for anything. They figure they are worth $15 bucks/hr just because they breath air. If you expect them to do anything, then that's extra. I love to paint oil paintings. I'm not that good either. I guess I like it because I am not that good. I have a LONG way to go before I get to be what I consider an average artist. I have a friend who is a master painter by anyone's opinion. Three years ago I went to him and told him of my secret wish to become a good painter. He was a math professor at UNLV when I was teaching physics there back in the early 1970's. So, he too is tired of students who "didn't try the problem" before they came in wanting the secret to the proof. He is a great mathematician with many published proofs and is well known in his trade. He is also an accomplished artist with many shows and is worth enough money that he doesn't have to work anymore. This is what he said to me, a close friend and good buddy: "Ah, Bill, so you really want to paint well eh? I would be happy to help you. This is what you do so you can learn to be an artist. Get yourself a sketching pad and some good pencils. Draw for an hour each day for TEN years, the come back to me. I'll be happy to help you then." I have been drawing an hour each day now for three years (more, most days). In seven years I'll go back to him and ask for his advice. Now that I have drawn for three years, I understand why he said that. The same thing goes for building airplanes. Go learn to fly at least, then consider how to build an airplane. Or, go build something substantial and then consider building an airplane. But, no matter what you do, DO SOMETHING. Don't just come in swinging and asking stupid questions like: I want to build an airplane that carries 4 people at 400 mph on 4 gallons/hr and has a service ceiling of 30,000 feet....oh, and I only want to spend $20 grand. Then if an old boy like me nails the guy, you and all of the rest of the people of RAH-land condemn me for my uncaring and abrasive nature. Give me a break. Most of the people here are just not worth the effort, that's the problem. It isn't a high quality array of builders or pilots who post here. The most intimidating assholes here are not pilots, not builders and also anonymous so you can't hunt them down and kill them for their threats. Frankly Bill you do not have to be here and I keep wondering what's keeping you tethered. You hate this place, hate most of the guys here and **** all over everyone routinely. You are right Corky. I don't belong here. John Stricker said that years ago. "Just too much experience for this group Bill." So, where would you recommend that I go? I like human interaction and because I am alive I am social. What group do you feel I would fit into? There is an entire evolvement that goes on when you post to ng's that I didn't know 8 years ago. I came in here as a test pilot on Jess Meyer's RV-6A with the Chevy Engine in it and posted the results of my flights almost daily. I enjoyed the feedback that I got. Then I became addicted to the instant feedback. After that I loved just writing stories here. But what happened next was something that brought me back to reality. The Mini-500 helicopter thing happened. I hated what I perceived Fetters for doing and that was marketing a deathtrap. The builders elected me as their President and Tony Pucillo was our lawyer. At that point when real homebuilders were getting killed I got serious here and on the rotorcraft group. I was very serious. Even Tony saw a big change in my posts as I became more serious and worried about the crashes and the fatalities. I did what I could as you all know to curtail those crashes and help the builders. What that did to me here is turn me from an entertaining sort of guy, to a man with a mission to expose what the builders were seeing as inadequacies in that Kit-helicotper. So, I went from the jovial story writer to a serious guy to deal with. I didn't want that, but I really had no choice. And, I do feel like I saved a few lives. If I never do anything else in life to promote the safety and well being of pilots everywhere, I feel that my efforts concerning the Mini-500 were worth it. What I would like now is to be left alone. I don't want confrontation or conflict with anyone here. I'd like to post here from time to time and just convey my thoughts on things, because I really don't know where else to hang out if I decide to post on the Internet. I have spent no time on the other groups and I don't know anyone there. RAH is my depth on Usegroups. It's like the OMABP. It's a place that all men can go, even to this day and expect conflict and confrontation on a daily basis. For those who don't know what the OMABP is, do a search. Where else do you hang out if you like to talk with people? Maybe they all don't have your level of professionalism or experience but it's still a group of people. If you are social then I think you need people. I'd like things to be different if they could, but I think they can't. If you know something I don't Corky, then you tell me where to hang out and I'll try it. Just don't give me any crap and I won't give you any. That goes for anyone here. I'm not looking for a fight, but you guys know that I can end one if some dork picks it. BWB Corky Scott |
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So, where would you recommend that I go? I like human interaction and
because I am alive I am social. What group do you feel I would fit into? Bill, you've obviously been hanging out exclusively in RAH, cuz those of us who live in RAP and RAO are unfamiliar with you and your brand of posting. All I can say is this: You're welcome here. I, for one, find your experiences and attitude refreshing -- although I can see how those with thinner skins might be spooked. From what I've read over in RAH lately, we in RAP and RAO aren't quite as free-wheeling and off the cuff. Must be something to do with flying "spam-cans" or something -- but do try to treat us with kid gloves for a while, okay? :-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being there
this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show. I, too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet. -- Al Mills Wake me before we take off... |
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Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being
there this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show. I, too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet. Well, Al, the way we all did it last year was by using the EAA's computer location system. Just give my "N" number to the guys and gals in the booth at the entrance to the North 40, and they'll tell you precisely where we're parked. Montblack is going to be bringing some grills this year, so we can actually do a cook-out, rather than trying to stumble off-site for food! (A real challenge last year, considering how much beer was consumed...) And, by the way -- it's MUCH easier to bow to Margy when she's dancing at eye-level on Atlas' wing... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote: Bill, you've obviously been hanging out exclusively in RAH, cuz those of us who live in RAP and RAO are unfamiliar with you and your brand of posting. Oh, he used to post in RAP back about ten years ago. Maybe a little more. Back when Highflyer was still allowed to post under his real name. George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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Badwater Bill wrote:
I'll make a bigger impact this time. Been packin' on the weight, eh? ;-) Was in Vegas last week; should've called (sorry). Russell Kent |
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Bow at my feet?!!? I like it!!! Hopefully the Navion will be flying by OSH
(with new radios and everything!!) so we can do something down in the classic area. If you volunteer for Vintage flight line ops I'll even help you into your little orange vest! Margy (stuck on earth, in the snow, wishing it was spring) AL wrote: Jay, just tell me how to find your plane at OSH. I'm planning on being there this year as a visitor instead of an exhibitor so I get to see the show. I, too, would like to bow to the ground at Margie's feet. -- Al Mills Wake me before we take off... |
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