Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:19:05 GMT, "Jarg"
proclaimed:

But an great tactic to avoid having your nose rubbed in a losing an
argument! And did you notice that the "personal insults" didn't
actually occur? I'm afraid the poor guy is deteriorating quickly.

I don't follow the adventures of Mr. Kramer but occasionally discover
him embroiled in some misadventure. I think his ego is his greatest
problem along with some sensitivity to probing. I have a great deal of
respect for accomplished aviators but some may need to stick to their
laurels. It's easier to admire the silent type than one who opens his
mouth and promptly sticks his foot in it.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

You obviously don't know what caselaw is. Caselaw is the ultimate
credibility
in a supreme court decision. And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !


What personal insult?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

You obviously don't know what caselaw is. Caselaw is the ultimate
credibility
in a supreme court decision. And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !



That's the weakest surrender in an argument I've ever seen in a news group.
What exactly was the personal insult? When you wrongly throw around an
epithet and then can't support your claim, what do you want? Essentially
hiding from him only places neon lights around what should be your
embarrasment.

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress their
cohorts rather than actually supporting ghastly ideas like tolerance,
respect for the individual, end to predjudice, and rational defense of
freedom. Neo, in that they are newly-minted conservatives in comparison to
us that have always been conservative, sometime called paleocon. The
Neocons are the last ones in the RNC to buy the religious arguments some
would prefer. They are among the most secular in the party. But don't let
any facts get between your high blood pressure and your keyboard.


--
Scott

"I don't need to know very much about you or your ideas to know that if you
think Michael Moore is just great, a truth-teller and a much-needed tonic
for everything that is wrong in American life, you are not someone to take
seriously about anything of political consequence, or you are French. But I
repeat myself." - Jonah Goldberg

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress their
cohorts rather than actually supporting ghastly ideas like tolerance,
respect for the individual, end to predjudice, and rational defense of
freedom. Neo, in that they are newly-minted conservatives in comparison to
us that have always been conservative, sometime called paleocon. The
Neocons are the last ones in the RNC to buy the religious arguments some
would prefer. They are among the most secular in the party. But don't let
any facts get between your high blood pressure and your keyboard.



I found the comment about William F Buckley and National Review being so bad
and "Neocon" amusing. WFB has been a conservative all his life, has had
National Review for 50 years, and is for drug legalization. The magazine is a
journal of intelligent conservative/libertarian political discourse.

If one wants emotional sloganeering and someone who plays fast and loose with
the facts, just go to the movie theatre


Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India

Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 6/30/2004 4:38 AM

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress their

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the past as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the beloved
coubtry.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

And there is draft talk.

From Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans, the administration has said
repeatedly stated there is no need for a draft and they will not ask for one.
According to a political analyst in Newsweek magazine (or was it Time?), this
whole "draft scare" is the democrats trying to scare the younger males into
voting for Kerry. But you know what Art, don't let facts get in the way of your
"thinking".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 6/30/2004 4:38 AM

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the
Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress
their

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the past
as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough
troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the
beloved
coubtry.

You have repeatedly been asked to define "neocon". Now you tell us what it
supposedly is not, not what it is. Can't bring yourself to answer the
(repeated) question?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

362436 (Ron) wrote:


I found the comment about William F Buckley and National Review being so bad
and "Neocon" amusing. WFB has been a conservative all his life, has had
National Review for 50 years, and is for drug legalization. The magazine is
a
journal of intelligent conservative/libertarian political discourse.

No wish to offend, but National Review has been the home of the neocon
philospshy for the last 50 years, your new definition notwithstanding. How old
do you think Buckley was in 1950? Have you never seen him taking the religion
side in evolution debates and such?

Neocons are not newly converted conservatives, they are adherents to a a
philosophy, the neocon philosophy. It is an internally conflicted combination
of religion and conservative rationalism that tries to claim the Enlightenment
as dominated by religion, not reason.

Podhoretz, another National Review writer, and part of the New York
Intellectuals in the 50's, is the source of "Religion is the third leg of
conservatism". Apparently there were two other legs and in his philosphy,
religion stabilized the whole.

I don't know where you get your idea about disaffected Jews, unless it is more
recent revolts by red diaper babies like Horowitz or religious Jews like
Medved.

-- Charlie Springer

(ArtKramr) wrote:

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the past as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the beloved
coubtry.

It is tough to do it right when you get hit and then find that Clinton cut:

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON*232
MISSILES.
500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS*ALL THE
SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN*SUCH A NAVAL
FORCE.

Remember when he "cut the size of government"?

-- Charlie Springer

Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: (Regnirps)
Date: 6/30/2004 2:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the past as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the
beloved
coubtry.

It is tough to do it right when you get hit and then find that Clinton cut:

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON*232
MISSILES.
500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS*ALL
THE
SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN*SUCH A
NAVAL
FORCE.

Remember when he "cut the size of government"?

-- Charlie Springer


I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened the
U.S. based on WMD that they never had.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer