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New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk



 
 
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Old May 15th 08, 04:30 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt..._Test_999.html
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Old May 15th 08, 07:38 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...


I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.

I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
aircraft and abandonded the program.
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Old May 15th 08, 08:18 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

On May 14, 11:30 pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...


To see what the comics version of a Fishhawk (aka an Osprey) is like

http://www.comicspage.com/shoe/shoe_characters.html
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Old May 16th 08, 10:49 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

Airyx wrote:
On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
See:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...


I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.

I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
aircraft and abandonded the program.


I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
altitudes.


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Old May 17th 08, 03:06 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

Airyx wrote:

:On May 14, 10:30*pm, wrote:
: See:
:
: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...
:

What is the point of posting a quote of a link when you don't post the
whole thing?

:
:I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
:that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:

Don't suppose.

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Old May 17th 08, 11:33 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

Philip Morten wrote:

:Airyx wrote:
: On May 14, 10:30 pm, wrote:
: See:
:
: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Rayt...d_Anti_Submari...
:
: I supposed this is intented to counter the small mast-mounted IR SAMs
: that were on some of the Russian's Kilo's awhile back.
:
: I seem to recall that the Russians found that diving and hiding
: provided better survivability then trying to shoot town the ASW
: aircraft and abandonded the program.
:
:I think this concept is being pushed because they don't want the
:twin-engined P-8 flying around at typical traditional torpedo launch
:altitudes.
:

The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
their job. The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

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Old May 20th 08, 01:39 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Are you sure ?


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Old May 20th 08, 02:00 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Bill Kambic
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Default New Torp Delivery System To Be Called Fish Hawk

On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:33:44 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

The concept is being 'pushed' because flying down to a couple hundred
feet off the water at dead slow speeds for a torpedo launch and then
clawing your way back up to a reasonable search altitude is hard for
the P-3, wears out the airframe, and makes it harder for them to do
their job.


I dunno. I never found the P-3 had to "claw" it's way back to
altitude. It climbed pretty good, as a matter of fact! :-)

The descent and climb take time, fuel, and do increase airframe and
engine stress to a degree, but not so's you'd notice under most
circumstances. Smooth piloting does a lot to keep stresses down.

Going down low does increase the risk of mishap and may expose the
aircraft to AAW weapons on a sub or other surface vessels. Being able
to conduct "stand off" attacks makes sense.

In earlier days sensor limitations meant "low" attacks because A
primary system to developing attack criteria was the MAD. Limitations
in accoustic sensor accuracy and weapon aquisition profile required a
pretty precise weapon placement. As accoustics and weapons have
gotten better maybe MAD is less important.

The same is true for the P-8 in spades.

Don't know much about this bird, yet.


 




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