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They call it the impossible turn.
Dude writes:
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pilotstori...WT.mc_sect=sap I don't understand the point of the story. It's a really bad idea to do what he did. Even he admits it. So why is it being featured? It's only going to encourage other pilots to make the same mistake. "Well, I saw him do it in a video, I can do that too." It looks like an excuse to show an interesting video, in the guise of an article about safety, but it creates the dangerous impression that a pilot can get away with something he's always been warned against. The pilots most likely to interpret it in this way are also the ones the least likely to be successful in their attempt to duplicate this feat. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
I wonder if he would have made the same decision if he was completely
dead stick. It seemed he still had partial power but not sure how much if any it was helping him. Cheers, Chris |
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They call it the impossible turn.
On Feb 9, 1:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dude writes: http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pilotstori...WT.mc_id=10020.... I don't understand the point of the story. It's a really bad idea to do what he did. Even he admits it. So why is it being featured? *It's only going to encourage other pilots to make the same mistake. "Well, I saw him do it in a video, I can do that too." It looks like an excuse to show an interesting video, in the guise of an article about safety, but it creates the dangerous impression that a pilot can get away with something he's always been warned against. The pilots most likely to interpret it in this way are also the ones the least likely to be successful in their attempt to duplicate this feat.. I thought the same thing when I saw that story. A really bad example for the Air Safety Foundation to have selected. I'd like to hear their rationale. "Don't turn back" is drilled in during training, and here, they show us that it doesn't look so bad. I think I'll stick with landing straight ahead, if it ever happens to me. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Clark writes:
The point of this type of "training" presentation is to get aviators to think about a particular situation, review their training for that situation, and perhaps take recurrent training. The outcome of one particular case isn't as important as motivating aviators to update their training. The point of this presentation is to attract viewers. Unfortunately, it will have exactly the opposite effect of what you suggest. Many of the pilots seeing the video will leave it with the impression that it is in fact safe to try to turn back to the airport. They will retain the exception and forget the rule. The pilots most likely to do this are the same ones who are already prone to make this mistake themselves. Pilots who know better will not have their minds changed by the video and will not profit from seeing it, since they already know how dangerous it is to attempt this type of turn. Pilots destined to kill themselves notice and retain only what reinforces what they wish to believe; and they ignore everything else. Pilots destined never to make this mistake already know of the danger in the maneuver and don't need to be told how dangerous it is. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
FlyCherokee writes:
I thought the same thing when I saw that story. A really bad example for the Air Safety Foundation to have selected. I'd like to hear their rationale. I'm sure the rationale is to attract people to the site through a voyeuristic look at a near-tragedy. It is disguised as a warning even though it is actually an invitation to ignore best practices and expert advice. I'm sure there are one or more pilots out there who will actually feel free to try turning now, since they've seen proof that someone has done so and survived. "Don't turn back" is drilled in during training, and here, they show us that it doesn't look so bad. I think I'll stick with landing straight ahead, if it ever happens to me. That is wise. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Clark writes:
I see that you fail to understand the nature of training. Fine. Good luck with your attempts to understand avaiation. Perhaps if you'd get some real training and real flight experience you'd do a better job of comprehending the true nature of training and currency. This particular case is easy to understand: Do not attempt to turn around and return to the departure field in the event of total engine failure. It has nothing to do with me. Thousands of aviation training sources say this very thing. Do you not agree with it? |
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They call it the impossible turn.
On Feb 9, 7:55*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
FlyCherokee writes: I thought the same thing when I saw that story. *A really bad example for the Air Safety Foundation to have selected. *I'd like to hear their rationale. I'm sure the rationale is to attract people to the site through a voyeuristic look at a near-tragedy. It is disguised as a warning even though it is actually an invitation to ignore best practices and expert advice. I hope not, and I don't think so; that has not been their style in the past. I'd hate to think ASF has lowered themselves to that level to attract readers (and donors). I'm quite surprised by that video. I'm a supporter and contributor to ASF; I feel like emailing them to try to find out what their objective was. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Clark writes:
The actual training which you have never had and clearly don't understand is to know when turning back is not an option. It's the other way around: Training is intended to make it clear that turning back is not an option by default, not by exception. As a general rule, you never try to turn around. As a side note since you obviously don't understand the entire problem presented in the ASF short, the aircraft did not suffer a total power loss. That's probably why he lived. But many pilots will accidentally or deliberately overlook that important detail. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
FlyCherokee writes:
I hope not, and I don't think so; that has not been their style in the past. I'd hate to think ASF has lowered themselves to that level to attract readers (and donors). I'm sure their intentions are noble, but everybody has rent to pay. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
On Feb 11, 6:23*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
It's the other way around: Training is intended to make it clear that turning back is not an option by default, not by exception. As a general rule, you never try to turn around. You are so wrong. You do not fly, have never had any flight training, and anything that comes from you should not be taken seriously. |
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