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"Ken Duffey" wrote in message ... BUFDRVR wrote: Thus it is 1309/335 = 4:1 in our advantage. ROFLMAO...you boob, even if the number 1309 is accurate, surely these include B-29s, B-26s, F-51s, and other such prop driven aircraft. The question was Soviet piloted MiG-15 versus the F-86. I realize English isn't you first language, but your reading compression skills are awful. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" By 'compression', I take it you mean 'comprehension' ?? Pot ?? Kettle ?? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Ken Duffey - Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast Flankers Website - http://www.flankers.co.uk/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ There is a difference between spelling and comprehension. Guess your weakness is the later. Jarg |
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"Jarg" wrote in message ... "Ken Duffey" wrote in message ... BUFDRVR wrote: Thus it is 1309/335 = 4:1 in our advantage. ROFLMAO...you boob, even if the number 1309 is accurate, surely these include B-29s, B-26s, F-51s, and other such prop driven aircraft. The question was Soviet piloted MiG-15 versus the F-86. I realize English isn't you first language, but your reading compression skills are awful. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" By 'compression', I take it you mean 'comprehension' ?? Pot ?? Kettle ?? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Ken Duffey - Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast Flankers Website - http://www.flankers.co.uk/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ There is a difference between spelling and comprehension. Guess your weakness is the later. A mindless bot can spell. |
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There should be quite a bit of technical crashes as well.
So all together around 3000 planes I guess, 3000. That's why we are all here, Michael - to read about your "guesses". maybe in USAF it can be another matter. But in Stalin times one must be crazy to lie in official reports. Yah. Better to tell Iron Joe that the latest and greatest Soviet fighters are being lost in droves, accomplishing little, and see what he sends you for christmas? And what's for. because Iron Joe didn't tolerate failure. This is Stalin, not someone sane. VVS was doing pretty well against USAF in Koreia according to any standards. Well, at the time, the Soviets were denying (other word LYING) that they were even present. Like the old saying, "Were they lying then, or now?" There were much more US planes shot down and crashed outside of NK control zone which were unaccounted for. But i have to note that our own losses are pretty accurate and we did lost 335 Migs and 120 pilots. So the ration is many:1 in soviet advantage. .....you _guess_. |
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There is a difference between spelling and comprehension. Guess your
weakness is the later. Now that was funny.... BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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BUFDRVR wrote:
There is a difference between spelling and comprehension. Guess your weakness is the later. Now that was funny.... BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" No - I comprehended fully. I was just commenting on the fact that, if you are going to criticise someone's reading comprehension skills, you should at least get your own spelling correct! It was done tongue-in-cheek - but that obviously never came across. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Ken Duffey - Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast Flankers Website - http://www.flankers.co.uk/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ |
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(Michael Petukhov) writes: (Peter Stickney) wrote in message ... In article , nt (Krztalizer) writes: That's unlikely. Chines and Korean pilots surely also contributed some. Also those 1309 mentioned was those whose wreckage was found in NK control area. At least only those were allowed to officially report to Moscow. Many US planes surely crashed in SK control area and in sea water. There should be quite a bit of technical crashes as well. So all together around 3000 planes I guess, 3000. Yonder flies a dead duck. The Soviet Pilots, and their immediate commanders in Korea seem, in those interviews that aren't being paid for in Vodka, to be giving numbers that are pretty much in line with U.S. clains & losses, modulo a bit of overclaiming on both sides. Although what was being reported to the Staff back home may very well be another matter - maybe in USAF it can be another matter. But in Stalin times one must be crazy to lie in official reports. And what's for. VVS was doing pretty well against USAF in Koreia according to any standards. The "Soviet Vo;unteers" were actually contesting U.S. Air Superiority of a small segment of the border area between North Korea and Manchuria. And, yes, the more experienced units fought hard, and achieved much better success than the novices in the DPRK or PRC. But they never achieved their goal of preventing the U.N. forces from attacking any target that they desired to strike. ANd the kill claims recorded at teh Staff Level in Moscow are higher than those reported from Manchuria, and the claims released by the Soviet Government are higher still. So _somebody_ within the Soviet Hierarchy was definitely doing some Creative Arithmetic. The biggest threat to the U.S.A.F maintaining Air Superiority was logistics. It took a while for the U.S.A.F. to be properly supporting the Sabres stationed in Korea - This, however, was a function of internal policies - (Louis B. Johnson, Truman's Secretary of Defence, was, quite frankly, an idiot, and only Robert S. Macnamara ranks up with him in terms of being able to screw up a Free Lunch.) and conflicting industrial priorities, especially with reference to the demand for J47 jet engines, which were not only used in Sabres, but also in the B-47 and as auxilliary powerplants for the B-36. One of the processes allowed in confirming kills on the Soviet side was "Battle Calculus" - basically the idea that if you hosed off a full load of ammo at somebody, you _must_ have gotten enough hits to knock him down. Hm... Oh, there's no doubt. An official excuse for wishful thinking. (Sort of like the old duck-hunting joke - two hunters in a blind in a cold, clammy marsh. Suddenly a pair of ducks fly over. The first hunter bangs off a pair of shots, and his bird falls. The second fires off his, to no visible effect. Second hunter turns to the first, asn says, "You;ve just witnessed a miracle - that's a dead duck you see flying away". I have to agree the numbers given are highly inaccurate. There were much more US planes shot down and crashed outside of NK control zone which were unaccounted for. But i have to note that our own losses are pretty accurate and we did lost 335 Migs and 120 pilots. So the ration is many:1 in soviet advantage. Yonder flies a dead duck. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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(B2431) wrote: From: (Michael Petukhov) maybe in USAF it can be another matter. But in Stalin times one must be crazy to lie in official reports. And what's for. VVS was doing pretty well against USAF in Koreia according to any standards. People lied to Stalin all the time just to stay alive. That pig encouraged it. Beria and his animals extracted lies from those he tortured and he passed them on to Stalin. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Like when Rokossovsky had his teeth pulled out by Beri's goons for being an enemy of the state based on "evidence" from a man who'd been dead for twenty years? When he was a Marshal he never forgave or forgot and waited for his revenge; he got it when Beria was shot in a Politburo meeting. Rokossvosky led a Parachute battalion into the Lubyanka with a list of 300 single-spaced pages of names. The lucky ones were summarily liquidated. The unlucky ones were thrown into the cells after releasing those already there, tortured under GRU supervision, and then shot. Zhukov said in response to a young Major's question whether taking Berlin was his finest hour, he replied, "No, the removal of Beria!" Posted via www.My-Newsgroups.com - web to news gateway for usenet access! |
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