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George Patterson a écrit :
Peter wrote: The UK Department for Transport has published a consultation document; their aim is as stated above. What's the stated logic behind this? George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. If I was a U.K citizen I would fight this one real hard and try to stop it NOW. We have seen this happen in France (and with luck fail!). IMHO mainly motivated by bureaucrats wanting to avoid having pilots using their FAA licence to fly in France. 20 years ago it was not a problem at all for a french citizen to go to the U.S, pass his pilot exams and come back to fly F- registered aircraft after a single stop to the local DGAC office.....I've done it. Not anymore unless you are a U.S resident! This having nothing to do with safety issues, to the contrary but simply to atempt to *HELP* french flight schools who, at that time, saw many students go West. Today if you reside in the US (or outside of the E.U) - You come to France with a US licence, you can fly F registered aircraft without a single hour of flight instruction! (altough I would highly recommend it in regards to *MAJOR* diffrences such as flight levels, barometrics pressures in MB, and phraseology over the Com). But if you are a French citizen and reside in the E.U, your 'in for taking all of the French written exams and flight tests if you want to fly F-registered aircraft. The solution is to find "N" registered aircraft, with greater and greater numbers, so one can use, regardless of nationality or place of residence, is F.A.A licence will all ratings. As mentionned in this forum this is just about the only way private pilots can fly I.F.R in France....a private IFR licence has been talked about for years....to no avail. The *REAL IFR* ticket is not really in reach of the "standard" business / family / adult pilot unless he has 20K¤, a year and brain cells to spare on totally irelevant material to the private IR pilot. IMHO G.A in Europe is nearly dead and I personnally rather go to the U.S twice a year for some real flying / travelling, spending my money with people who respect G.A. Best of luck in the U.K. |
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Peter wrote:
The question one must ask is WHY people do this. How about also that going "off N status" creates an aircraft that is virtually unsaleable in the USA due to its having a maintenence trail that makes it unfeasable to recertify at reasonable cost for USA sale ? And that the USA market is far better than UK ? How many aircraft have you seen advertised in the UK that are begging to be sold in the USA, or aircraft for UK sale that are bragging about having an N number ? |
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Peter wrote: Clearly it is difficult to achieve an effective timed residence ban such as that proposed (90 days every 365 days) while allowing visiting aircraft, because one obvious work-around is for the pilot to swap aircraft every 90 days. While obviously most private pilots aren't going to purchase, or rent/lease from outside the UK, a different N-reg plane every 90 days (i.e. 4 a year), a larger fractional ownership operation could be structured so the planes are rotated via other countries. A multinational business operating say 4 jets could keep 3 outside the UK and rotate them every 90 days, thus meeting this requirement. So the proposal would screw the small private pilot, while leaving the larger turboprop/jet groups much less affected. Why can't UK owners just park the airplane across the channel in france for some portion of the year ? Surely there has to be a percentage of time resident or similar requirement. So UK owners just lease to a flight club across the channel for a few months of the year. |
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Scott,
Why can't UK owners just park the airplane across the channel in france for some portion of the year ? Because it makes for a really long drive to the airport. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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In Argentina the same rule applies, foreign aircraft cannot stay for more
than 90 days at a time. So they fly to Uruguay for the day (preferably to Punta del Este) and come back. Problem solved. "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Scott, Why can't UK owners just park the airplane across the channel in france for some portion of the year ? Because it makes for a really long drive to the airport. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:49:34 +0100, Scott Moore wrote
(in message ): Clearly it is difficult to achieve an effective timed residence ban such as that proposed (90 days every 365 days) while allowing visiting aircraft, because one obvious work-around is for the pilot to swap aircraft every 90 days. While obviously most private pilots aren't going to purchase, or rent/lease from outside the UK, a different N-reg plane every 90 days (i.e. 4 a year), a larger fractional ownership operation could be structured so the planes are rotated via other countries. A multinational business operating say 4 jets could keep 3 outside the UK and rotate them every 90 days, thus meeting this requirement. So the proposal would screw the small private pilot, while leaving the larger turboprop/jet groups much less affected. I had thought of this as well, but it would make for some really complicated group structures ! Why can't UK owners just park the airplane across the channel in france for some portion of the year ? Surely there has to be a percentage of time resident or similar requirement. So UK owners just lease to a flight club across the channel for a few months of the year. The proposal isn't that you can only keep the plane in the UK for 90 days at a time, it's for a limit of 90 days in the UK in any 12 months period (the 90 days bit is up for discussion). So you would have to have the plane outside of the UK for the other 9 months. As Peter suggested, one way around this (that would work only for larger groups, so still screw the majority of private pilots) is to have a fleet of five (four doesn't quite do it) planes and move them around the world as required so that none of them exceed the 90 days limit. The issues doesn't firectly and personally affect me at the moment, but I've still put in my objections since it's guaranteed to affect me indirectly or even directly in the future. One point I made was that it's a bit rich for our authorities to decide what other countries should be happy with - if the US authorities aren't happy with it's ability to oversee aircraft on it's register that are overseas, then surely it's up to them to decide what to do about it; if they are happy, then what right have out authorities to tell them otherwise ? |
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Juan,
In Argentina the same rule applies, Actually, IIRC, the rule planned for the UK is more sophisticated: 90 days out of 365 are the maximum allowed time in the UK. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Simon Hobson wrote:
The proposal isn't that you can only keep the plane in the UK for 90 days at a time, it's for a limit of 90 days in the UK in any 12 months period (the 90 days bit is up for discussion). So you would have to have the plane outside of the UK for the other 9 months. Do the UK FBOs realize that the government is actively trying to kill them off ? I'm guessing the result would be to discourage fat cats from parking their aircraft in the UK for too long. |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Juan, In Argentina the same rule applies, Actually, IIRC, the rule planned for the UK is more sophisticated: 90 days out of 365 are the maximum allowed time in the UK. Undoubtedly they also have a regulation that requires UK registered craft to stay in the UK for some period of time as well. By the time anyone adds up all the rules the conclusion will be clear: avoid the UK. |
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"Scott Moore" wrote in message ... Thomas Borchert wrote: Juan, In Argentina the same rule applies, Actually, IIRC, the rule planned for the UK is more sophisticated: 90 days out of 365 are the maximum allowed time in the UK. Undoubtedly they also have a regulation that requires UK registered craft to stay in the UK for some period of time as well. By the time anyone adds up all the rules the conclusion will be clear: avoid the UK. I already figured that out. |
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