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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Gord Beaman" ) Date: 11/16/03 5:42 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote: Subject: PC flight simulators From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators? If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently. Regards... They are not really simulators. They are just computer games. Arthur Kramer Pretty inconsiderate Art...just because you don't play with them why denigerate someone elses fun? They do indeed simulate flight, so why do you make that stupid statement? -- -Gord. I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for computers.And anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to fly your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse it with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown Air Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense. Now be a good guy and just go away. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Vicente Vazquez" Date: 11/16/03 7:42 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" escreveu na mensagem ... They are not really simulators. They are just computer games. Mr. Kramer, Some of them, like "Microsoft Flight Simulator", are actually more like simulators than games. If you check them out, you will also notice that there are no such things as "scores" or "adversaries". It's just plain flight. They might not be "reallistic" simulators, but that's another question. Vicente No. That is not another question. That is THE question.I am familiar with Flight Simulator. It might be interesting. It migt be fun. But it is not flying or anything close. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"Tex Houston" wrote:
"Gord Beaman" wrote in message .. . Get a room for chrissakes... -- -Gord. I've always been polite to you even with a disagreement. Why are you all of a sudden getting ****y with Art Kramer and me? Bewildered, Tex Sorry Tex, I agree, I usually don't sink to that level...I just so disagree with Art's intolerance that I flew off the handle I guess...you'd think that I was a flight sim guy wouldn't you. Don't own one. I just find AK so frikkin negative. -- -Gord. |
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The only recent one I've messed with is Jane's Fighter Anthology - it
is deficient in that it does not incorporate the effect of gravity in 3-dimensional maneuvering. Pitch-over is same rate as pull-up which is totally false. G limit is the same no matter what the pitch angle is up, down sideways or in between. Zero-G acceleration is not modeled. Fuel burn is also bogus - way below actual when in AB/reheat. Lots of little quibbles but those are the major ones which really detract from reality. BTW I speak from about 4500 hours in fighters and about 1500 hours instructor time also in fighters, from F86 Sabre, F102, F104 and F4. Now, if you want to practice instrument flight and work on your scan technique, Mcsft Flt Sim is quite adequate. Unfortunately no sim gives you 'real motion.' You will definitely notice the sensations of motion in the real aircraft, however. These must be ignored and will take some getting used to. Your flight instructor should explain them to you. Believe your instruments! Walt BJ |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for computers.And anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to fly your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse it with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown Air Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense. Now be a good guy and just go away. I think it depends on what you are trying to simulate. If you are studying instrument procedures, then a good PC sim may make a great procedure trainer. If you want to learn how to fly, then every PC sim that I have seen so far is worse than useless. Without motion, without a wide view, without being able to look out the side window and back to judge your downwind-to-base turn, without true feedback on your controls, without true "butt feel" of accelerative forces, without a whole bunch of other stuff; you are wasting your time and perhaps "learning" something dangerously wrong. If you just want to have fun with your PC, go for it! Vaughn (a flight instructor) |
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Vaughn" Date: 11/16/03 6:52 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: ArtKramr" wrote in message ... I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for computers.And anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to fly your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse it with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown Air Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense. Now be a good guy and just go away. I think it depends on what you are trying to simulate. If you are studying instrument procedures, then a good PC sim may make a great procedure trainer. If you want to learn how to fly, then every PC sim that I have seen so far is worse than useless. Without motion, without a wide view, without being able to look out the side window and back to judge your downwind-to-base turn, without true feedback on your controls, without true "butt feel" of accelerative forces, without a whole bunch of other stuff; you are wasting your time and perhaps "learning" something dangerously wrong. If you just want to have fun with your PC, go for it! Vaughn (a flight instructor) Good sense all the way. We must never lose a firm grip on reality. And those who urge others to take flight simulators seriously to learn how to fly, are themselves playing a very dangerous game. We have to protect the innocent against the unprincipled and the unknowing. You stated it quite well.. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Maybe so but.....
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computi...6/missile.idg/ Jarg "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: PC flight simulators From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators? If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently. Regards... They are not really simulators. They are just computer games. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" escreveu na mensagem
... They are not really simulators. They are just computer games. Mr. Kramer, Some of them, like "Microsoft Flight Simulator", are actually more like simulators than games. If you check them out, you will also notice that there are no such things as "scores" or "adversaries". It's just plain flight. They might not be "reallistic" simulators, but that's another question. Vicente |
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