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Old December 1st 06, 03:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
bbutlergps
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel

Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill

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Old December 1st 06, 05:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Gig 601XL Builder
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel


"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill


Have you found the Matronics Zenith Mailing list and forum yet. If not
follow the link below. Lots of 710 builders are there.

http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2


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Old December 1st 06, 06:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
bbutlergps
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel

Hey thanks so much for Matronics list. I didn't ever run across that
before.
Thanks again,
Bill
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill


Have you found the Matronics Zenith Mailing list and forum yet. If not
follow the link below. Lots of 710 builders are there.

http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2


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Old December 1st 06, 11:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Gig 601XL Builder
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel

Look forward to seeing you there.


"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey thanks so much for Matronics list. I didn't ever run across that
before.
Thanks again,
Bill
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill


Have you found the Matronics Zenith Mailing list and forum yet. If not
follow the link below. Lots of 710 builders are there.

http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2




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Old December 1st 06, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
karel
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel


"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill


not very clear where you are,
so availability is a major concern.
but since you seem interested in european engines,
have a look at the gaz_aile,
it uses the diesel engine from the Citroen AX
and peugeot 106, not the most modern engine,
but simple (no electronics!) and reliable.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaz'aile_2#Le_moteur

http://gazaile2.free.fr/


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Old December 1st 06, 06:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
bbutlergps
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel

I am in Texas and my French only works in Paris, Texas that is so I
can't quite read that website on the Gaz_aile.
Would you know how much it weighs and what the output is?
Transportation isn't too big of a problem as long as you have time
(ship) 6 weeks plus. I can pick it up anywhere along the Eastern sea
board or Houston.
Thanks,
Bill
karel wrote:
"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
Howdy,
I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.
Thanks,
Bill


not very clear where you are,
so availability is a major concern.
but since you seem interested in european engines,
have a look at the gaz_aile,
it uses the diesel engine from the Citroen AX
and peugeot 106, not the most modern engine,
but simple (no electronics!) and reliable.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaz'aile_2#Le_moteur

http://gazaile2.free.fr/


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Old December 2nd 06, 06:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
karel
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel


"bbutlergps" wrote in message
ps.com...
I am in Texas and my French only works in Paris, Texas that is so I
can't quite read that website on the Gaz_aile.
Would you know how much it weighs and what the output is?
Transportation isn't too big of a problem as long as you have time
(ship) 6 weeks plus. I can pick it up anywhere along the Eastern sea
board or Houston.


their website says
"il donne 53 CV à 5000 t/mn, pour 80 kg nu."
which I would translate quite literally as
if gives 53 HP at 5000 rpm, for a naked weight of 80 kgs.
I suppose the "naked" means without alternator, radiatior &C
In case you not know what kg is, 80 kgs corresponds roughly to 177lbs.

PS could yo kindly post your replies BELOW
the text you are answering to?


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Old December 2nd 06, 06:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
karel
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel


"karel" wrote in message
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( ... )
their website says
"il donne 53 CV à 5000 t/mn, pour 80 kg nu."


more from their website:

"Très facile à trouver en occasion pour 300 euros ou en échange standard
pour 1 500 euros contre 13 000 euros pour un Rotax, et pas plus compliqué qu’un
bon vieux VW."

this engine is easily found secondhand for 300 euro's or 1500 for a factory
rebuild, as apposed to 13000 euro's for a Rotax. And no more complicated
than a good old Volkswagen engine.

I have some issues he I wouldn't like to fly behind an engine savaged
from a junkyard for 300 euro's, not unless profoundly revised which would
probably be most expensive except for those who can do it themselves. OTOH
1500 euro's for a factory rebuild sounds like a nice deal!

Not a word on the reduction, though, or I should have missed it.


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Old December 2nd 06, 07:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
clare at snyder.on.ca
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel

On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 17:34:22 -0000, "karel"
wrote:


"karel" wrote in message
...


( ... )
their website says
"il donne 53 CV Ã* 5000 t/mn, pour 80 kg nu."


more from their website:

"Très facile Ã* trouver en occasion pour 300 euros ou en échange standard
pour 1 500 euros contre 13 000 euros pour un Rotax, et pas plus compliqué qu’un
bon vieux VW."

this engine is easily found secondhand for 300 euro's or 1500 for a factory
rebuild, as apposed to 13000 euro's for a Rotax. And no more complicated
than a good old Volkswagen engine.

I have some issues he I wouldn't like to fly behind an engine savaged
from a junkyard for 300 euro's, not unless profoundly revised which would
probably be most expensive except for those who can do it themselves. OTOH
1500 euro's for a factory rebuild sounds like a nice deal!

Not a word on the reduction, though, or I should have missed it.

The scrapyard engine could be totally beat, or it may have been
replaced just days before the vehicle was damaged beyond repair -
making it a virtually brand new engine -- or anything in between. I've
seen some REAL GOOD engines sell cheap at the scrapyard,(and bought a
few) and I've paid top dollar for some pretty crappy ones (which were
returned).
An example of the good ones? I paid $100 for a corvair engine which
had been rebuilt less than 10,000 miles ago by a very anal german
craftsman.

--
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Old December 1st 06, 10:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
Morgans[_2_]
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Default Smart Turbo Diesel or VW Lugo Diesel


"bbutlergps" wrote

I am looking into a power plant for a Zenith 701. I am very interested
in going the route of a diesel. Would anybody have any information on
either the:
Smart (Mercedes) 3 cyl. 95 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 112
hp) found in the Smart ForFour or VW Lupo or Fox (euro) 3 cyl. 1.4
liter 70 hp Turbo Diesel (can be chipped up to 108 hp)
What I am most interested in is weight and the PSRU.


Be sure if you go with an auto diesel conversion, that the fuel pump does not
need the oily content of the diesel to keep from wearing out prematurely. Jet
fuel (which I am assuming you will be using) does not lubricate as well as
diesel, and some converters have had problems with their fuel pumps, as a
result.
--
Jim in NC

 




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