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Guy Alcala wrote in message ...
Red Rider wrote: snip I don't know if the dates are that big a secret anymore or not. Probably not as every reporter knew about it anyway, but we started flying recon "Yankee Team"(May 64) with RF-8's and Air Force RF-101's into Laos, which was three months before the Tonkin Gulf Incident (Aug 64). After a couple of RF-8's received ground fire, flew into mountains, and other things, they started having a F-8 fly escort for them, but that was just so they knew why the RF-8 didn't come back. The first RF-8 was lost on 6 June 1964, easy day to remember as it was the anniversary of "D-Day". I am having a senior moment and I can't recall the pilots name. Chuck Klusmann. Klusman made a sucessful escape as well after 3 months in Pathet Lao captivity. The next day another Kitty Hawk Crusader was lost in Laos. This time it was an F-8D flown by VF-111 CO Cdr Doyle escorting on one of the two Yankee Team missions that day. He was rescued but was KIA the next year. |
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Klusman made a sucessful escape as well after 3 months in Pathet Lao
captivity. The next day another Kitty Hawk Crusader was lost in Laos. This time it was an F-8D flown by VF-111 CO Cdr Doyle escorting on one of the two Yankee Team missions that day. He was rescued but was KIA the next year. ...Correction to my last. Doyle was his first name. Last name was Lynn |
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"sid" wrote in message om... "Red Rider" wrote in message . com... Two were definitely doing it to save their skins. Their secret came out when one showed up in the Navy reserves as a Squadron XO (??????) and the other a couple of years after that in the Air National Guard that was doing their active duty on a joint base. Another one was questionable, but everyone liked him so I guess he got the benefit of doubt. Also there were several in the attack community that I heard about but don't have first hand knowledge of. -- Red I listened disgust to an A-4 driver (Cdr.) in Newport in the summer of '67 talk about how he was NOT going to make a WestPac and get his ass shot off. He didn't and later was a CO and CAG while deploying exclusively to the MED. This jackass eventually made Rear Admiral...Name started with an S Yep, that's a fact. But he shouldn't be confused with some that didn't make the WastPac tour. There were a few that didn't try to avoid WestPac and were never sent there. (I know of one that had special knowledge of classified material that was never deployed outside of CONUS in his last 17 years of service). But other than that, in my humble experience, if someone volunteered, you better have your bags packed. One guy made a statement one evening at Happy Hour, how he would like to go over there and show them how to do things. He claimed that one week later he had orders. He said he didn't know his new detailer was listening. -- Red |
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The approach used by Zalin Grant in writing "Over the Beach" can be read w/
Robert Wilcox's "Black Aces High" 2002 book -- the story of VF-41 using their aged F-14As as bombers during the brief 1999 NATO war w/ Serbia. The method used by both authors have pluses and minuses in telling a story as it relates to post-WWII CV NavAir, but clearly both are worth reading. Anyone who has read "Black Aces High", and know any of the VF-41 participants, care to comment on the job Wilcox did in representing what the squadron went thru? MW |
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" Yeah I remember you youngsters on your 72 summer cruise. We were just
getting back to WestPAC with new Aircraft, to replace our old worn out birds, when they were kicking you off the ships. Also the first EA-6B's were arriving too. By the way didn't you know never to trust an attack pilot. Red, What Carrier were you on in '72? I was on America with VF-74 as an ECM tech. Pechs, I had friends on the Kitty. Even visited a few times wile in Subic. Jim |
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Red- By the way didn't you know never to trust an attack pilot. BRBR
Learned that........ P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Red Rider wrote as follows regarding the officers of
VF-162 portrayed in Zalin Grant's book "Over the Beach": I guess I had met and knew all of them, before they made their first cruise on the big "O". They were a good group of very skilled fighter pilots. Real good, I had flown with many of them in the early 60's and flew a lot of hours against all of them during their pre-deployment work-up. [Remainder of superb post deleted to conserve bandwidth.] Occasionally I get fed up with the cross-posted bilge, the racist nonsense and the endless posts about the Liberty and I stop reading this newsgroup for a time. But then somebody like Red comes along and posts something that's so amazingly interesting that I wonder why I ever left. A big Bravo Zulu for him, and for everybody else who has contributed to this thread. |
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Accchhhh! m'wee bairns...I'll give y'warp factor eight and maybe a wee
bit more... Mike Weeks... step forward laddie... have y'tried bull****ting the people on this thread by pretending t'be a "jet fighter pilot" like Kevin Brooks caught you bull****ting aboot the same thing... tsk! tsk!.. m'wee bairn...the "self esteem" problems that cause you to go swaggering aboot like a "jet jock"... MIKE WEEKS, USS LIBERTY USS LIBERTY MURDERS ISRAEL AHRON JAY CRISTOL A. JAY CRISTOL GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL GOI IDF THE LIBERTY INCIDENT ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY JIM ENNES JAMES ENNES JAMES A. ENNES JOE MEADORS WAR CRIME stan engel shipfixr dn roberta hatch sheldon lieberman little_people Ward Boston Admiral Thomas Moorer Robert McNamara LBJ 30mm with proximity fusing 30mm cannon with proximity fusing 30mm cannon shell with proximity fusing kevin brooks said this: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...g.goog le.com "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications"." Bwaaaaahaaa! LOL!!! ROTFLMAO!!! C'mon mikey... tell an old scot your qualifications, laddie! Acccch!!! M'wee bairns… I'll give y'warp factor eight and maybe a wee bit more… The following message has been designed to prevent Mike Weeks from engaging in conduct on this thread THAT HE has engaged in on the threads where the USS Liberty survivors gather…. ….and to follow Zionist Mike Weeks, who got caught by Kevin Brooks pretending on the Google Groups pretending to be a US Naval "jet fighter pilot"... …just like Week's good buddy, A. Jay Cristol(Ahron Jay Cristol), author of "The Liberty Incident" has BEEN CAUGHT pretending to be a "jet fighter pilot" who "flew combat missions in the Far East" during the Korean War and who served as an officer in US Naval Intelligence when in reality… …Mike Weeks is IN ACTUALITY … a US Naval reservist…and "no";he's not the "jet fighter pilot" he got caught pretending to be ….. he is "computer operator" AND… "the Korean War… snicker…heroooo",A. Jay Cristol never came within thousands of miles of any combat… and he graduated from "flight training school" only 90 days before the Korean War ended before he sat his fat little rump down in the cockpit seat …not of his ...snicker… "jet fighter"… but instead a "Turkey Prop".. the US Navy's slowest plane… and "no"… he never served in US Naval Intelligence unless perhaps it was in the kitchen of the mess halls peeling potatoes as punishment for bull****ting about his "war record" Mike Weeks, who ALONG WITH HIS BUDDY, A. Jay Cristol, is actively involved in helping the Government of Israel cover up the murder of 34 of his fellow countrymen… In the following messages on this thread, you'll be able to determine for yourself to just what extent, if any, Mike Weeks is a traitor to both his country and fellow computer oper… er.. fellow servicemen in the US Military … …but first to give you a snapshot of just what kind of individual it is who ends up betraying his fellow Americans…. We'll repeat the "self esteem" problems Mike Weeks has which cause him to pretend to be a "jet fighter pilot" as Wing Commander of "The Data Entry Squadron"… Hey, Mikey…. M'wee bairn… point oot t'the ladies the hyperlink Kevin Brooks is talking aboot where he caught you bull****ting aboot being a "jet fighter pilot"… kevin brooks said this: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...g.goog le.com "No idea, but a good point. Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications"." Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". Heck, I am still waiting for ol' Mikey to tell me of his vast experience in dealing with "arrogant jet jockeys", since he made such a big deal of it. since he made such a big deal of it. since he made such a big deal of it. Odd how he gets rather quiet when called upon his own "qualifications". since he made such a big deal of it. ojunk (Mike Weeks) wrote in message ... The approach used by Zalin Grant in writing "Over the Beach" can be read w/ Robert Wilcox's "Black Aces High" 2002 book -- the story of VF-41 using their aged F-14As as bombers during the brief 1999 NATO war w/ Serbia. The method used by both authors have pluses and minuses in telling a story as it relates to post-WWII CV NavAir, but clearly both are worth reading. Anyone who has read "Black Aces High", and know any of the VF-41 participants, care to comment on the job Wilcox did in representing what the squadron went thru? MW |
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Rookies all.
1963-1984 Was there Have T shirt to prove it. P3's in Thailand in 1964. Black Birds in 66-72. USN Ret |
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"Red Rider" wrote:
Fascinating stuff, RR, thanks. The accounts I got from friends about wings being turned in, was that it definitely wasn't because he was scared or a coward. This was not the case of several others (none in VF-162) that managed to leave the Navy, "because they owed it to their families, to have a career with the airlines". Actually Grant is scrupulously clear about this in the book. The officer who turned in his wings had a record of bravery under fire on some nasty missions. The CO recognised that in fact, and his resignation was specifically on religious CO status, if I recall the book correctly. Even so, apparently quite a ruckus. |
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